guard dogs

Yes sir thats him....thanks!

 

ive heard the bullmastiffs are great,i personally never owned one.my uncle has a pair of blue healers for is construction yard.which have suprised a few would be robbers

 

I've been looking at cane corsos and presa canarios for a yard guard dog, but I can't decide on which one I want :o

 

Ask wardog about those presa canarios.....lol

 

^^^ The few Canes and Pressa's i have seen were DA so i would lean away frome them... i think I'm leaning more toward the Malinois. Seen a couple of them dogs work and they get down....

On another note. i got an opertunity to see a dog owned by a former member of this site name NOVA. He got an APBT named Torque 9yrs old and as sharp as a fuckin tac. that dog WORKS I was very impressed. But with an APBT you got to worrie bout DA.... but it was a pleasure watchin that dog work.


Vic

 

Shit, I was just bitten down to the bone on my forearm:mad: I thought a piece of bone was sticking out of my arm. It was only a 4 month old pup! Can't imagine what it would of looked like if he was a lot older. Lol, also stay away from those presa's if you have other dogs in your house, lol!

 

if the dogs dont come into contact with one another than why does it matter if they're DA id prolly use a pitbull jus cuz they are ready to pleaz n are amzing dogs if they dont come into contact with your other dogs in the yard or a rotti but then again dobies are a good choice cant out run one of them

 

Why in the hell would you use a Pit Bull for gaurding work?! THEY are not bred for Human Aggression at all!

 

Not really true, actually. The length of the head makes up for muscle mass (pit bulls are not that hard of biting dogs, btw, yes I have been bitten by a few trained ones), that a Rott or a Shepherd may have. You are not getting my dobe off of a bite. Rotts SEEM to bite harder than they actually do only because of the bite/bodydrop they do, Shepherds seem to bite harder when in reality, the canines are the longest compared to head size of any breed and therefore create more pain due to deep punctures...not pressure, though I'd have a GSD bite pressure over any Malinois..you want to talk about soft mouths. Pits have an average bite. The strongest biting breeds there are, are the Beauceron and the Cao san Fila Migel (sp?).

But, back to the head sizes, for what the rott has in head mass, lets say a 24in head compared to a 6 in skull length. My dobe has a 19 in head and a 10 in length, you do the leverage math. As far as material in a bitesuit, that's not going to save you, he is still biting YOU under there, not the suit. But, now I am done with my little rant before I get into full grips and what a difference they make as well as biting technique. Sorry for the steam! Bad vet visit today...

 

I wouldn't put your money on landing a punch on my Dobe, can't speak for anyone else's though. I am pretty sure you are right, however, it is a sad sight to see this breed work anymore...too "pet friendly". THESE dogs were not meant to be friendly to ANYTHING other than family. It's sad to see how far they have fallen...

Again, Malinois consitantly have the weakest jaw pressure, I can't tell you how many I had to wash out from K9 programs due to soft mouths. Had to place them with ok medium/low working pet homes. Also, the nerve in the breed just irritates me to no end!

 

agree with silentdobe

my parents always had dobes when i was growing up. super sweet to there people but would wreck u if u came on our property without us being there. both were untrained and had live bites. both were on the smaller side maybe 45-50lbs or so and females. i put on a bite suit one time cuz a buddy had one so we did a couple break in scenarios at the house one day and ill say if u think they have a weak bite go out and take a bite by one and soon u will be praying to get those pearly whites outa your flesh through the suit. puts my 132lbs hybrid ab to shame and hes a long muzzled dog aswell. and dont think your gonna get away by running or tryin to beat the dog cuz they are super agile and will take a good lickin and keep on commin. the ones we had were pretty independent regarding being able to tell what was welcome and what wasnt, and wouldnt bark unless it was warrented. also bout as loyal of a dog as u will find. like wanna be up on your lap at all times kinda thing. also both were very dog friendly. ours slept with our cat and dachsund and got along with my moms 2 yorkies. but would kill any other cat they could get to.

also there is a pair (brother and sister)from the same litter were i train sometimes from i wanna say czech republic or something like that. anyways at 6-7 months old i would piss myself if i seen them coming at me. havent been back for a bit but i can only imagine them now. there probably 2 or so now. very nasty mothas to say the least.

probably wouldnt own any other breed for guarding my property

 

all dogs mentioned are great , you'll given some good suggestions


Rotties and GSD's work well together as wellas rotties and dobes , an earlier thread refered to the south african boerboel , an exceptional guard dog , not known for DA but will take on an opponent if necessary , they're very powerful and have good mouth , easily trained and socialised but their territory is their teritory , no messin about , they should be able to handle the heat as South Africa does have some extreme summers

had a young male and if he sensed an intruder , he would head butt the door to get out , they're excellent guard dogs and very protective over handlers and especially kids

these dogs have good drive as well , anyway all the best with your choice whatever it is let us know !

 

If I ever got into another breed of dog, these guys would be it.

 

what gets me about guard dogs......the authorities are able use any breed of dog as a security/guard dog....but....the gov'ments go mental on a breed (bull bred)that doesnt even come into the top 10 of any country for biting the public....YET.....and this comes under human rights i believe.....the fuckers use dogs/breeds that are known for being GOOD at attacking a human being.......german shep,doberman,rottweiler,alasation...etc....personally...imo...never ever have a bull breed dog thats similar to the pbt as a guard dog....

 

If coat and grooming upkeep were'nt a problem I'd really look at those Black Russian Terriers or Central Asian Shepherds. Unfortunately that long hair is just out of the question but they're terrific animals.

 

If you don't mind the up-keep of coat, I thought of this one breed.

The Giant Schnauzer!! They have low tendicies to be DA. I'm leaning towards getting a Giant Schnauzer myself, they bite hard and can get the job done.


http://caninebreeds.bulldoginformation.com/guardian-dogs.html

Here's a few videos of the Gaint Schnauzer in action!
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I wish i had caught this one early on i have a ton of experience with protection breeds. Both trained and natural protectors. I will say this, some breeds of dogs are recommended by people that are "out of touch with the current climate of the breed. they will suggest a particular breed of dog because they were told that it was a great breed to use for the job or because that is what they have always used but dont take into the account the types of drives that the bred has and how those drives will translate into various protection situations. depending on the exact scenario there will be better breeds. Home protection, yard protection, personal protection, guarding livestock, guarding property, etc. each scenario will have particular breeds that are better suited to be successful in them by nature. That is a really important part of the category, sure you can teach a dog to respond in a particular way but when the chips are down and the adrenaline is pumping instict and natual drive is the strongest driving force. So a dog that is breed to handle a particular situation has a much higher percantage of responding correctly than a trained dog. I cant tell you how many dogs i have seen get turned on the field when a decoy put pressure on them but they were fearless when there was a fence separating them.

No breed s going to give you 100% compliance and be perfect. you will get good and bad specimens from all of them, but by knowing what you want the dog to do and finding the right breed for that job you can increase your chances of getting a good prospect immensely.

 

The only breed that Ive had a lot of experience with is the Great Pyrenees. The pros of these dogs are they dont need training, it is all instinct. They make excellent watch dogs and will guard with their life if need be. You could go pick up a rescue dog and it would do the job with the proper bonding with its owner. The cons are, as someone said earlier, they do bark a lot and, depending on the individual dog, they might not find humans as a threat, only other animals. So, not the best bet for a guard dog but watch dog, yes.

Does anyone know anything about Beaucerons? Im kinda curious about them.

 

Beaucero: its a french breed that was used as a flock guardian, typicaly translates to a great property or estate guarding breed as well... the show world and "modern society" have taken a toll on the breed and finding a working specimen (i.e. a dog that is from parents that are either titled or working livestock is next to impossible in this country, to import a good specimen makes the price nearly double with all the BS from customs and differences is shipping requirements. The question coems down to do you want a real Beauce or a a dog that looks like one but doesnt act the part. I did quie a bit of research and i have to say that i dont really recommend getting one, the odds of you getting a good one are astronomical unless you are willing to pay way to much to get one.

 

For low dog aggression and intimidation, I would recommend a confident Great Dane. Besides, if you ever have an accidental breeding (since the yard protector will be loose), a GD x APBT is pretty impressive. Not that you would have any interest in such, but I only mention it because I have seen many of them and find the cross to produce natural working dogs in many cases.

IMO, the dobie today is too flighty natured and I agree that they aren't durable either. That said, Silience is correct in the fact that muzzle length does tend to bring pain. People often think that a short muzzle has more pressure but that just typically isn't the case. Jaws do not work like pliers. With pliars, the applied force is created on the opposite side of the fulcrum...but with a jaw the force is created by muscle attaching on the same side of the fulcrum as the resistence (object being bitten). As a result, this typically "nullifies" the short jaw/long jaw arguement for pressure. The longer the jaw, the further out the resistence...and therefore the weaker the pressure EXCEPT that the longer jaw also has the applied force (muscles for creating the bite) also closer to the resistence which increases the pressure. End result...no leverage change in pressure do to being longer as the length is relative and proportional. In extreme short jaws though, this isn't the case. Things are disproportionate and short mouthed dogs tend to have all types of problems...from bite, to endurance/heat disipating, to breathing issues, etc.

In case that isn't clear...let me try this with more detail and with a photo...At the top left of the jaw in these photos, you can see the fulcrum point (pivot point of the jaw). The big flat area of the jaw is where the muscle attaches (where the force is created). The teeth are of course where the bite pressure/resistence is found. The closer the bite to the fulcrum, the stronger the bite. The further out the muscle attachment, the stronger the bite. Generally, when one changes distance as a result of muzzle length, the other also changes proportionately...so I have come to the conclusion that length of muzzle doesn't effect pressure much.



IMO, bite pressure is more influenced by muscle and most importantly...DESIRE.