bullterrier apbt cross

Anybody ever heard of this cross used for breeding game dogs,And im not talking about the dogs from the 1890's or early colby dogs,but more modern times even 1940,s and on to today,also,not advocating such a cross,i think it stinks actually,just looking for some info,opinions,thanx alot...

 

there was a British Ch by the name of Pysco.... he was a Eng. Bullterrier x ApBT i think.....

 

i think your talking about a irish staffordshire bull terrier,im vaugly familar with that line,im talking about the egg headed show dog,the bull terrier and matches on the united states,purely for historic purposes,and also because some dip sh@! keeps swearing that it is a great cross and adds alot to the apbt,including gameness and a hard mouth.So if theres proof of it happening,id like to hear about it,and if not im standing by my beliefs,ill provide the link if any of you are interested...
http://www.molosserdogs.com/modules...topic&t=3470&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
you have to be a member however to view the thred..

 

i could see where it might add to the gameness, as the true terrier dogs are REALLY fight crazy and viscious.(i love to see a ratter at work. it's awesome!) but i just don't see anyone mixing the two as the bull terrier is a rather rare breed in itself. before the spuds McKenzie craze of the eighties they were kinda rare..in fact at one time there was only one breed class, white... now there is a colored bull terrier and the traditional white bull terrier class.

 

colored bull terriers been around since the turn of the century i believe,but the creator of the white bull terrier didnt want them recgonized as pure and suspected crossing to fighting dogs so it took some time for them to be acknowledged.Ive seen video historicaly speaking of a bull terrier and a apbt and the bullterrier didnt fair well at all,this was turkish footage,and i have know idea who it came from,but i do no the dogs were from "madline kennel" over in eastern europe.I do have a photo of this cross bred dog,and this supposed game bull terrier,but who knows

 

hmmm..interesting

 

THAT WAS NOT CH PYSCO , IT WAS CH STORMER..

 

Pyscho was from a brother and sister mating staffies with EBT blood in them he also went under the name Hagler at one time

 

Here is some interesting info on both Pyscho & Stormer:

http://www.game-bred.com/game-bred-hall-of-fame.htm

 

about the cross adding Gameness.... ROFL... ummm NO... about adding mouth.... in fact I have herd old stories of EBullTerrier and ApBullTerrier crosses having EXTREME mouth from more than one person.... in the luck of the draw you MIGHT and thats a big MIGHT have a ok match dog...... but nothing breedable... IMO.... i wouldn't want one, nor would i promote the crossing...... ONLY two breeds come to mind as a "ok that might work" that'd be the Tosa (korian Yokosuna bred) and the Fell Terrier (nuttall)... but the question comes tomind..... Why... why when we have near perfect dogs today... you'd be down grading IMO.... but then again there are storys of a few famous match dogs of today being crossed with such breeds..... So the point is... do what works for you and to hell with everybody else and f what they think IF what you do makes YOU happy and WORKS for you......

 

I took the time to read that thread and I would have to say that Wolf the admin there is a prick and I would disregard his information. He may be somewhat knowledgeable about the breed but I think he mostly supports cross breeding dogs to get some "super dogs" based on what I looked at on that site.

 

yes wolf is a incredably arrogant individual,and also a big fraud.
Also thanks for the stormer/ pyscho info...
good stuff

 

Someone asked what EBT&APBT was ever used with success in the United States. Frisco Sport was the one of the best dogs ever on the East coast (if not the best ever on the East coast). He was an EBT * American pit bull battle cross. Incredible dog.

Not citing that as a reason to do the cross, that would be stupid just answering the questions as to what APBT*EBT have been used in the USA. There have been a few others in the USA as well. I have also seen EBT's being used in Russia and looked impressive.

However Frisco sport was a long time ago when the show Ebt lines and Apbt lines were not as diverged as today. Any brindle EBT in those days could not used for the show ring but was used for the pit instead (only white was used in the show ring).

Nowadays in the United States the American bull terrier club openly boasts about their extensive breeding program for "breeding out" dog aggression in the English bull terrier. So the American kennel club lines of EBT's are basically all cur bred (no offense). However I have been around a few nice ones that were not from the USA.

I think we are all agreed on here that we cannot compare on average an EBT (forget the American KC ones) to a "FAST LANE" battle hardened APBT. However I've had some EBT's that would shock most of the mugs walking around the park with their pet pit bull, thinking it is the business just because it is an APBT.

Yeah FAST LANE APBT's are the king of the roost, but lets have some respect for the EBT as it is a VERY VERY close relative of our beloved APBT. There are also some good EBT's around that would whip the average pit (i state average not fast lane).

As for doing the "battle cross" well if you have the space; and want it for what it can do in battle and not for breeding then yeah go for it. As for breeding from it well forget it as any pups will be very scatter. But for battle then yeah go for it (battle crossing is a common practice with game cocks).

(main problem with EBT in my opinion is not that none of them are game as a few are, and not that they have no mouth as many have awesome mouth, but that they lack wind as the modern ones don't have a deep chest but rather a barrel chest).

 

Stormer was a 50/50 cross stafford x ebt there was no pitbull breeding in him . There is so say a lot of lines that so say have stormer in them , well i can set the record straight stormer was bred a few times without success the only mating that produced anything was when he was bred by his last owner a chap called grainger to a reids bred bitch called tess, the ones that were put in the right hands never made the grade and i think one was bred but again produced nothing and were not bred.So i say to people if you are offered a Stormer dog leave it where it is as its all lies.

 

Stormers dam was 3/4 english bull terrier stafford cross ,his sire was pure show bred stock down from show CH Badgerlea Rascal

 

here is a pic of stormers dam the old bull bitch yes she was a 3/4 ebt but just as pyscho is refered to has a staff when he had an 1/8 ebt in him stormer is refered to as a 50/50 cross

 

www.pihlandsonsstaffords.com

Let there be more:cool:

 

Ch Stormer
Stormer was probably one of the best English match dogs ever fought and in his
day was totally untouchable. Stormer was an English Bull terrier and
Staffordshire bull terrier battle cross (yes correct, a hybrid mongrel). Stormer's
record is impressive. The only criticism that people make is that he didn't
produce anything. Not surprising for a hybrid! Stormer is particularly famous for
beating Ricky B's infamous champion Psycho (a great producer).

Butch

 

Nice looking dog posted the first bull terrier

 

Did anyone ever hear of Walter Komosinski?He made many sucsessful crosses with bull terriers and pit bulls.As a matter of fact you could pull up to his place with a conditioned dog and he would let you pick your opponent and after he would lend you a shovel.Thats a fact.