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Raw feeding, prey-model diet

Discussion in 'Health & Nutrition' started by The Lionheart, Jan 2, 2017.

  1. I think this an interesting topic, and one that seems heavily debated. Anyone use(d) a raw diet? A whole-prey model? IE frozen/thawed rodents like a reptile keeper might use, livestock, roadkill, etc.

    I've never applied this myself, but I'm looking into it.
     
  2. Box Bulldog

    Box Bulldog Top Dog

    Lots of people feed raw, Meaty bones, organs ec. I did for a bit but I found it to be a pain in the ass. I buy scrap pork stewing meat freeze it for a couple days and add it to good dry kibble (orijen six fish).
     
  3. Yeah, I figured there would be a lot of members that could speak on it. I say that because one thing I noticed in reading through old threads is the absence of the psycho liberal type that loves to jump down people's throats for promoting this sort of thing.
     
  4. determination

    determination Big Dog

    Really notice a increase in performance with a raw diet and a raw diet with rf1 but with rf1 the dog seem to put on alot of muscle.
     
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  5. Box Bulldog

    Box Bulldog Top Dog

    I have heard good thing about RF1. I use Nuvet. I think I will try it out in the spring.
     
  6. Misfit28

    Misfit28 Pup

    I'm weaning a litter of six pups onto a raw diet. They are 4 weeks old and love it! They get so excited to see me lol
     
  7. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    I have fed both ways. Both alone and in combination.

    The raw way is a better choice for the dog. What usually happens is the inconvenience of feeding raw overcomes the desire to feed the best way. That usually comes about when the number of dogs increase.

    The second part is that feeding raw is no magic bullet. After feeding both way and a combination of the two there are two things that are pretty much certainties. One, the dog will shit less as the percentage of assimilation is higher on raw. and two, the dog will drink less water. The raw food is full of water the dry food is exactly that, dry.

    I have seen some difference in feeding the two. Over time there is an over all tone from feeding raw. There is some coat difference mostly due to the oils added in a balanced raw diet.

    I never saw any difference in performance or activity. The same dog that was wide open was wide open regardless of what he was fed.

    Maybe the best benefit is that when it is time to prekeep and keep the dog the raw fed dog is a faster and easier assimilation to the higher grade of feeding.

    One is better but not worlds apart.

    S
     
  8. Hmm, what do you mean by this?
     
  9. Box Bulldog

    Box Bulldog Top Dog

    I agree 100% about the kibble drying out the dog. When I fed raw my dog would rarely drink on dry kibble he drinks like a fish. I do a combination of the two now just because I found 100% raw to be a pain in the ass. My dog has beef allergies so that's why I choose fish and pork he does well on it.
     
  10. raemei

    raemei Pup

    I've always wanted to try, but the challenges and expense have pushed it back. I think the advantages sound wonderful, though!
     
  11. CrazyHorse

    CrazyHorse Big Dog

    You can feed 10 dogs on $25 dollars a week feeding twice a day real food!
     
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  12. AGK

    AGK Super duper pooper scooper Administrator

    Maybe where your at. Lol. I've never been able to feed raw cheaper than kibble and I've tried it every which way over a 15 year time frame. Unless you have a very good low cost wholesaler of meat, which I've never been able to find around me, it just don't work out money wise. Take into the consideration of the time it takes to prepare and what ones time is worth and it's always cost me much more to feed raw. It costs me almost double to feed raw than it does feeding a high quality kibble. Low cost raw depends on where your at and what low cost meat source you have access too.
     
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  13. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    Raw food is easier digested and the body assimilates/absorbs the food at a much better rate. In turn there is much less waste when feeding raw. On kibble the piles are much larger as the food that does not get assimilated passes thru.

    S
     
  14. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    There are economy versions of RAW that are cheaper than the high end foods. In some circles the economy versions are better than the high end kibbles. In others, not so much.

    A few years ago we had a butcher here that save me scrap boxes. This knocked down the price considerable. Once I rented a house from a guy who was a butcher by trade and processed deer at home. I got a five gallon bucket of whatever almost every day. Both cases it was way cheaper.

    When I buy meats it is primarily chicken, mostly chicken backs. Leg quarters are $0.69/lb at Walmart.

    The real trick in cost savings is being creative and having time. I am fairly creative but seldom to I have the time to pre-mix a weeks worth of food.

    I am no nutritionist or feeding expert but what I have found works best for the dog and for me is the combination. Basically I feed dry and raw together. If I need to cut back on an individual dog I cut the dry food. If it is the winter time I up the amounts of dry food taking advantage of the slower more energy driven digestions process of the dry food.

    Feeding usually falls into personal preference and convenience. The number of dogs then factors as well.

    S
     
  15. JimAm*dam

    JimAm*dam Pup

    It depends what kind of kibble you give, if you give kibble whith high grain% low meat% and other fillers than everything what's going in front, than almost everything is comming out from the back.
    Also you've to give more of it, so at the end not that cheap.

    I also give raw and kibble, but that isn't a raw prey model and also not biologic, it's grinded meat without gluten and chemicals (for color and conserve) buy it in de supermarket € 0.65 400 gr.

    The kibble i give is Acana Sport & Agility high meat, protine, fat%, low in carbon.
    When important for you id that the ingredients are biological enz..
    My dogs also have the luck that they get good quality meat like beef, chicken, enz.
    I get it for free here in the supermarket when the meat is on the date (not expired)
     
  16. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    Agreed. I fed 'raw' long before I knew what 'RAW" was all about. I fed the five gallon bucket of scraps because it was free. There was no rhyme nor reason to what they got. Whatever came out of the bucket as I walked by the dogs. Although it was nothing processed or preserved there was more than likely no balance back then.

    This is the first season in a number of years I did not stock up on deer meat. I'm averaging 63hrs/wk at work since October. I have gravitated more to dry than raw due to primarily convenience. The dogs are now maybe 3/4 dry and 1/4 raw, or thereabouts. Now that work has let up some the raw will increase to just about half and half.

    Believe it or not the convenience of dry usually trumps the benefits of raw. Increase the number of dogs and the amount of work for raw increases incredibly.

    I can remember times when I spent half a day on Sunday to make all these pre-packs for the week. Have a litter and keep one or two, acquire a young dog and that half day on Sunday moves toward all day. Miss a good football game while prepping dog food and all of a sudden dry starts looking better and better. LOL

    For me, half and half works best. The dogs get the benefit of a lot of good raw food and the dry provides some convenience for me.

    S
     
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  17. sweetscience

    sweetscience Big Dog

    First a happy ,healthy new year to all and your bulldogs.
    @ slim... I feed my guy venison for the first time recently...he loved it. In your experience feeding venison did you notice a difference in body tone and energy? Curious because of the higher creatine in the venison.

    Thanks
     
  18. Box Bulldog

    Box Bulldog Top Dog

    I have also been told that deer meat has up to 10x the amount of creatine than domestic beef. I have fed strictly deer in the fall and have noticed no difference in performance but I also never ''tested'' the dog on it.
     
  19. c_note

    c_note CH Dog

    Please draw this out... that seems pretty cheap
     
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  20. JenteVA

    JenteVA Pup

    About the same way of doing things here. Since I'm neither a biologist or nutritionist, I'm afraid there would be too many flaws in my raw diet. So meat and kibble is what she gets (sometimes some raw when I strike a bargain). And that is without taking into account that a dog's body and digestion has probably evolved away from strictly pray nutrition. At least a bit.
     
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