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What age did your pitt turn.

Discussion in 'Dog Discussion' started by dog-man, Nov 12, 2006.

  1. Brothermarree

    Brothermarree Top Dog

    4 me about 7 months.
     
  2. db_798

    db_798 Pup

    I have an 11 month old boudreux/bullyson and he still very friendly to other dogs. however cats, squirrels and birds beware.
     
  3. mikefromMD

    mikefromMD Top Dog

    Colby's Pincher, arguebly the best dog ever didn't tun on until three years of age.
     
  4. Sid Finster

    Sid Finster Big Dog

    damage control....

    OK, I take Redhead out on a walk, we're almost home, fat dumb and happy, minding our own business.

    A door leading from the sidewalk into an apartment hallway opens, and this Fila (at least I think it was was a Fila) jumps out of the door and just attacks Redhead. No posturing, no warning, no playing.

    I still have the leash, and I am swinging Redhead about, trying to keep the Fila from biting him. Probably not the smartest move, but most people don't think out a logical plan of action when they are under ambush, and this was an ambush. Redhead is trying his damnedest to fight back, and finally a little light goes off in my head "Why not fight back and kick this stupid dog?"

    As I said, I hadn't exactly rehearsed this situation. Care to comment, Attila?

    So I am getting ready to drop my cowboy boot into this dog when the owner finally grabs him. She's very worried that Redhead bit her defenseless little Fila and even tells the Fila that he is a bad dog, using a very concerned tone of voice.

    No visible injuries on Redhead. I pull him to heel, and he is now whining to get a piece of Fila. The whole thing maybe took ten seconds.

    We walk home, I am shaking, Redhead is enjoying the adrenaline. As we enter my courtyard, Redhead sees a smaller dog, unleashed, and badly wants to go after it.

    I don't know whether Redhead will "turn on" as a result of this fiasco, but I sure as hell don't want him to. Is there anything I can do to prevent this?

    n.b.Other dogs have been aggressive to Redhead in the past, but none have made such a serious attempt at a fight.
     
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  5. dog-man

    dog-man Big Dog

    Yesterday I went on one of my every other day jogs along the mountain trails with Achilles, we were on a steady pace , about a mile into the , all of a sudden I see this woman and her 12yr or so son, with 3 dogs total, all of them were on leashes , the kid had one dog and the mother had the two other dogs (mutts), on this trail there is curves/corners and such, as i was getting closer to them (we were going towards each other), the lady looses control of both her dogs and they get loose, i came to a complete stop, when i saw the dogs coming towards Achilles, again , surprisingly enough, Achilles wanted to play with em dogs lol, no growling, barking nothing, they met like for max 20 sec, lady came and put them on their leash, and i was back on the trail, guess he will be a late bloomer, he comes from honeybunch and eli lines, his dad is ch doc holiday, I dont mind he will be a late bloomer, something less to worry about lol.

    I think it really depends on the dog when its going to turn or not, if you all dont know I also have a 6yr old female neo mastiff, doubles his size, and can throw a mean bite, since i had Achiles they got it on a couple of times, for food, toys and such, so I don’t believe that once your dogs scraps it will leave the dog with killer instincts, they get along fine, even sleep together.

    <o:p> </o:p>
     
  6. Sid Finster

    Sid Finster Big Dog

    I sure hope I am overreacting. I suppose I am concerned because Redhead's mother is not aggressive to other dogs, except German Shepherd-type dogs. This presumably stems from the fact that a GSD attacked her when she was small.

    That and I don't need Redhead thinking "Golly gee, this fighting thing was kind of fun! I gotta try that again!" I know that dogs don't think in abstractions like that, but they do learn from experiences, and I don't think this experience was nearly as unpleasant for Redhead as it was for me.

    I took another good look at Redhead a minute ago to make sure he wasn't bitten. It's hard to tell as he is absolutely pain-proof.

    Seems that Redhead did a good job of escaping the ambush.
     
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  7. Twitty

    Twitty Big Dog

    I have littermate brothers and they were the best looking pups!!! until about 11 oclock one evening heard all my dogs barking 45 min pas and they were still barking so i go see what it was one had gotten off (everybody who has more than 5 dogs has had a yard accident) by the time i got there they were in full swing of things @ the tender age of 9 mts of age. every sence then they have been monitored closely! check you set ups every day. Especially if its raining!!!! After you pup deciedes that he or she wants to be a man/woman you now own a different dog!
     
  8. boa1277

    boa1277 Pup

    My boy Willie loves to play, he will play with any dog right up until it growls, as soon as the other dog growls, he get this real serious look on his face you know the perked up ears, wrinkles on the forehead, tail up and no longer wagging, if the other dog makes a move forward it is on like donkey kong, I have a hell of time just pulling him away on his leash. If the other dog continues to romp around Willies figures it out pretty quick and starts playing again. I am amazed at how well he is able to read the situation.
     
  9. Sid Finster

    Sid Finster Big Dog

    The next few times we went for a walk, Redhead wanted to go back to the spot where the fight happened. Needless to say, I did not let him.

    I am glad that it was me holding the leash, as I am a lot stronger than Redhead. If a girlfriend had been walking him, blood would have been spilled.
     
  10. LuvinBullies

    LuvinBullies CH Dog

    Re: damage control....

    Personally, I feel the nature vs. nurture aspect with APBTs would be a goldmine for a geneticist and a true blue APBT behaviorist/trainer to collaborate on and thoroughly document. I have noticed a lot of dog behaviorists seem to have a "Dog Behavior 101" broad spectrum of knowledge on dog behavior, but it lacks in-depth knowledge about APBTs. I tend to discredit claims made about "training DA out of APBTs", etc.

    But I wonder if APBT genetics and behavior can be studied more thoroughly to provide conclusive information and accurate training guidelines for APBT owners who wish to identify and work with the genetic tendency for APBTs to "turn on" in an effort to control it's hair-trigger intensity--as long as such information did not provide inexperienced owners with false securities and it emphasized that no training provides 100% brainwashing of genetics, I think it would be interesting to see what was suggested.

    I also feel each individual APBT has a different level of DA saturation in its genes. Most APBTs are highly or completely saturated with DA in their genetic makeup, while others don't have as much . Obviously anti-DA training would have a higher success rate with APBTs whose genes were lightly saturated with DA. Unfortunately, there is no way to test for it other than by observation, and anyone who has a gamebred APBT should prepare for a total genetic saturation of DA in their dog, and as responsible owners they should be skeptical of anyone who claims they can completely prevent an APBT from "turning on".
     
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  11. DryCreek

    DryCreek CH Dog

    Re: damage control....

    I agree, you can NOT train dog aggression out, but you CAN train human Alpha leader in. THAT is the key to a well behaved APBT. Very nice post LuvinBullies. It would be interesting to see the results of that type of study. My belief is that each animal is an individual. The genetic aspect lays the ground work, the base so to say. The nurture can enhance or downplay each genetic trait.

    I find it very amusing the amount of energy put into trying to complicate the canine. It is an animal, and if you study their ways you will learn how best to deal with them. I train my pup just like their mother would. Super simple. direct and to the point.

    Sid Finster

    Once an APBT has shown aggression to another dog, you cannot expect it to not happen again. Now that Redhead has shown interest, if not excitement at the prospect of a battle, you must always be on guard, aware and prepared for it to happen again. Make sure you have vocal commands (sit, down, stay) to the tee, carry a parting stick, and be aware of loose dogs. Hope all goes well for you and Redhead.:)
     
  12. simms

    simms CH Dog

    That's Awsome!!!

    Say what you mean,mean what you say!
     
  13. Hillbilly Pit

    Hillbilly Pit Big Dog

    I don't know if this is the same but I would like to shair it with yall. Last friday I went out to feed my dog early that morning about 10 tell 6. J.R. was barking and flinging his body at the end of hes chain. He gets a low choppy growl when something is close that he realy wants to get at. Mostly cats but as I steped closer I saw a coytoe running toword him. Me with food in hand and grate exsitement said "get'm boy" and J.R. standing on hes back legs wanting it. The coyote two foot away herd that and saw me turned and ran. I went up alittle more and saw another one standing at the eag of my yard. He looked like he didn't want no part of J.R. at that time but if it had started I think that the other one would have joined the party. He is 14m old, it might not be the same you think but it don't matter if it's coyote, dog, cat, or squarle if it walks alone its fair game to him it seems. [​IMG]
     
  14. Sid Finster

    Sid Finster Big Dog

    Re: damage control....

    Redhead didn't show aggression exactly, in the sense that he did not start the fight. He was more than ready to defend himself from the Fila. I did not let Redhead mess with other dogs before and I am sure as hell not going to start now.

    I commented earlier that Redhead's mother is not DA, except towards GSDs. In her case, that seems to be learned behavior, but Sasha, her owner keeps this firmly in check. I don't know Redhead's father personally so I cannot say. Regarding training, I make sure Redhead knows that I am alpha and that fighting is not tolerated. That said, I am not so naive as to think that DA can be trained out of a dog. Unless you are C. Milan. ;)

    My main concern is to keep Redhead from finding out that fighting can be fun. At least any more than he already has.
     
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  15. Sid Finster

    Sid Finster Big Dog

    And thanks for the help.
     
  16. BoiBoi

    BoiBoi CH Dog

    My mutt started around 9 months after he got into it with a ground hog. After that incident he seemed very eager to get at any animal, but he still plays well with my neighbors apbt, in part because he grew up with that dog and is submissive to him which is fine by me i just hope one day he doesn't decide that he wants to be the top dog cause he is a lot bigger, stronger and faster than my neighbors little house dog. Other than that he ignores the dogs that he sees regularly on our walks its just new dogs that he goes crazy for.
     
  17. LuvinBullies

    LuvinBullies CH Dog

    Re: damage control....

    Oh, yeah, right!:D Forgot about that "God among men" :rolleyes:. That's funny Sid...I didn't think you were naive BTW, just a lot of people are regarding the DA in APBTs- notably behaviorists of all people.

    So watcha think about ol' Cesar...I think the guy keeps doggie narcotics in his pocket and slips those pups some mickeys before the camera crew arrives.
     
  18. Sid Finster

    Sid Finster Big Dog

    Re: damage control....

    Amazes me the number of people who think that if you are nice enough to a dog, it will forget that it is a predator and a pack animal.

    Regarding Cesar The Great and Terrible: where I live you can't get his show, and I have only read part of one of his books, so most of my information on him is second-hand. Most of what he says was self-obvious - affection is no substitute for exercise and discipline. Dogs respect leaders, and there is no substitute for respect.

    No shit.

    I think Cesar's "energy" stuff is new-agey crap repackaged for dippy gringos, but a lot of people had no idea why their dog was a brat until they saw Cesar's way.

    So I guess he serves a purpose.
     
  19. ericschevy

    ericschevy Big Dog

    Same here.....:eek:
     
  20. vena

    vena Pup

    well my boy is a about 4 and a 1/2 months now, but when i first got him at 3 months i put him with my brother in laws boy who is two weeks older. My brother in laws dog is a blue nose that is litterally twice the size of mine. well right away my boy got stiff and real tense and started a low growl and just lunged at him trying to bite him. It was funny cause my brother in laws dog just ran from him and then started barking when he got a good distance. at the time my dog was 9lbs 8 oz and my brother in laws was over 15 lbs. I dont know if you consider that turning right there. i can already see that he does not like male dogs. he gets along fine with my feamle dobe and female shitzu though.
     

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