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Midnight Cowboy

Discussion in 'APBT Bloodlines' started by Gameboy864, Feb 15, 2008.

  1. TDK

    TDK CH Dog Staff Member

    You seem to be chasing lineage. Your chances of disappointment are about 90% if you do. I recommend you just keep the dog and wait for whatever is resultant from it. In the meantime, learn about individual dogs, yards, the people who breed them and so on. Then make some kind of more educated and higher percentage move.
     
  2. ELIAS'PISTOLA

    ELIAS'PISTOLA CH Dog

    TDKs right, a majority of people look for a line with no regaurds for parents and so on...
    With that being said, I noticed over the years that theres particular dogs whos name pops up as either grandparents
    or further back that seem to "pass on the trait" so to say.Cracker Jack and tgs Cowgirl seem to be the male and female that best passed the midnight cowboy traits.Another "no name" that grandsired(etc..)greats is Laubs Jessie.ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [848] :: LAUBS' JESSE
    My vote for carrier of the grch ART traits.Some 25 years ago a friend Malik campaigned his ace IBM and his half sister bizzy2x1x game loss to stps ch.miss rage.Ibm and Bizzys sire DOUCETs CRACKER4x winner that lost dgame to hardcores ch.Redman.If red man wasnt an ace,it was said he'd out wind any ace.Redmans lil brother beat Dixons ch king and real deals ch evander??Everyone said bozack was great but couldnt hold a candle to redman.Alot of talk
    that Ibm was an eli bred cur that wouldnt have a chance against a yellow dog,Malik didnt care about talk.Ibm felt differnt and wanted revenge for his dad.Ibm wanted bozack but would settle for any son of yellow including mayday at cw,lol...
    IBM in true ace form traveled from jersey to the islands to meet stone citys ch. nico4x.Nico was bred well and also producing almost as well as his dam, a daughter of yellow...Unlike Ibms sire Cracker who lost dgame, ol nico packed it in...Hard to believe with all that yellow and buck hype.BLOODLINES ARE NOT ALWAYS WHAT THEY SEEM..
    ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [1139] :: DOUCET'S CRACKER
    ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [1141] :: MALIK'S IBM
    I dont know about styles,but IBM retired in the islands just like his greattt sire Carvers Iron Head.The islanders said IBM and IRONHEAD looked identical.Some four generations later,we had another IRONHEAD IBM phenotype show his head.The moral of my rambles is not to chase bloodlines,but quality individuals that carry and pass traits from that bloodline...
     
  3. Naustroms

    Naustroms CH Dog

    IBM was a truly great dog but I was told that wasn't IBMs true breeding and he was actually off Mingman's Ashman.
     
  4. Gameboy Ch.Shorty Cowboy dogs are rough and very intense with a descent mouth scratch like rockets. Battle cross with Jeep/ Redboy Jocko. I have a female Pure Shorty Cowboy on bottom side with Jeep Redboy Redboy Jocko on top. I bred her to a a male off Tightlines Dr.J / Skull Stuff. They started@ 12 weeks and never looked back . Complete total package. Game / rough / smart / good wrestlers / descent mouth / you get the picture lol. Poo's Ace online pedigree check it out
     
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  5. ELIAS'PISTOLA

    ELIAS'PISTOLA CH Dog

    If i remember correctly MIngMan sold Bizzy and IBM as sibblings off cracker with adba papers signed by doucet for Ibms but not bizzy as Mingman told Doucet that there was no females.Next thing Mingman says bizzy was off giesha and cracker,while Ibm was off battle axe and cracker.Malik never got papers on bizzy but had a 6 gen for Ibm.
    Mingman and Malik had a falling out and Mingman changed Ibms pedigree also out of spite?Malik never gave a fuck and considered them siblings regaurdless of Mingmans lies.Malik was in it for sport not peds,Ibm and Biz were two of his only dogs as Ibm and Malik retired like fat cats.IBM was so good he took Malik all over the ecoast all expenses paid.Malik didnt bet much,but ibm made sure Malik was more than good.You ever seen them island pedigrees that have no females in them, just inbred Carvers Ironhead in every generation.A group bought A very old Iron head as well as some famous race horse,and bred the shit out of them for personal use.Pretty much extnct know,vengnce
    was bred to a bitch from this stock that tension turf has successfully used.They all say IBM and His off spring look the same as the old Iron head stuff of yesteryear, widows peak and all...I dont know about mingmans stock,but the resembelance to R.Hydes satchmo stuff.Sonny bought IBM with the same hopes of hoardig the blood.Ibm ran loose and slept on the porch.Sonny built a row of high end kennels for IBMs bitches and offspring.I never seen the kennels,but it was said to be second to none and housed close to a hundred.Tragically Sonnys life was taken before it all could happen..I beleive IBM came up missing...R.I.P. SONNY and IBM......
     
  6. nolimit

    nolimit Pup

    Doucet hounds are renown for gameness.....it has been said that Satch isnt Ironhead but a brother to Longs Tuffy and Baby.....SamXTana breeding......my buddy had dogs direct from Doucet....no brindles.....blacks, reds and the red red noses.....some of the gamest Eli/Carver hounds to look through a collar...
     
  7. they were some of the gamest ive seen also
     

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