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FREE MIKE VICK- A Re-Post

Discussion in 'Dog Discussion' started by jman11, Jun 16, 2008.

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  1. jman11

    jman11 King of the Valley

    Michael Vick is an innocent man who is being persecuted by an unjust government.
    ...the NFL star agreed Monday to "accept full responsibility" for his role in a dogfighting ring and plead guilty to federal conspiracy charges.
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    The maximum term is five years in prison and a $250,000 fine, although federal sentencing guidelines likely would call for less. Defense attorneys would not divulge details of the plea agreement or how much time Vick can expect to serve.
    However, a government official, speaking on condition of anonymity because the terms are not final, told The Associated Press that prosecutors will recommend a sentence of a year to 18 months.
    The sport of dogfighting is disgusting, sick, immoral and even evil. To want to watch dogs rip each other to shreds is sadistic; it might be a sign of psychological problems. Certainly it is a sign of inferior imagination and sympathy to the suffering of man's best friend.
    It reminds me of the spectacle of bearbaiting, which was popular in Shakespeare's day: dogs were loosed to attack a chained bear. In Merry Wives of Windsor Shakespeare has a moron speak with fascination about bearbaiting. Although both Henry VIII and Elizabeth I loved the sport, it is clear that Shakespeare was not a fan.
    Michael Vick is like pornographers, drug dealers, flag burners, prostitutes, Leona Helmsly and Michael Milken: he is among the least defensible, most loathed people in America, whom the government feels confident to persecute even though they have done nothing that would be against the law in a truly free country.
    The NFL has every right to ban Vick from the game for life for his participation in dogfighting. However, dogfighting should not be a crime. Animals have no rights, only humans have rights. To give animals rights means to violate human rights. If animals have rights, then one could argue that eating a hamburger and wearing leather shoes are crimes.
    Let's take it to the absurd extreme. If animals have rights, then one could argue that any assertion of human will over an animal is a crime. No one asked my cats if they wanted to live with me. I asserted my will over them, bought them and took them home in a little cage as if they were, well, animals.
    Animals do not have rights because they do not have the faculty of reason. They deal with one another using force, and humans have a right to initiate force against animals.
    It comes down to property rights. If a person owns an animal, then he should have the right to dispose of his property as he wishes. Property rights are absolute; a free and just state should go out of its way not to violate them in any way. It should go so far to protect property rights that it errs on the side of going too far, if such is possible.
    Men do not have property rights if they do not have the right to be immoral, stupid, unfair, whimsical and disgusting with their property. A proper government exists only to protect and defend individual rights, not to make sure people are fair, moral and intelligent. This is hard for many to accept in our age when the government routinely violates property rights in countless ways. This absolute, laissez-faire conception of rights is currently theoretical and unconnected to the reality of our mixed economy. It is, as Ayn Rand called capitalism, the unknown ideal.
    (Incidentally, isn't it odd that people want to throw the book at Vick but they yawn when Mary Winkler, who murdered her sleeping husband -- a human being -- with a shotgun blast, is let out after 67 days?)
    The proper punishment for one who abuses animals is social ostracism. People can voluntarily refuse to sanction irrational, destructive behavior against animals. If we had a free government, then our traditions and customs of volunteer, social punishment would be stronger and more effective, just as private charities flourished before the New Deal brought the state into the charity business.

    I don't want to come across as a flower child but I personally think the sport of game hunting is a barbaric holdover from the middle ages. I think it is sick to spend one's leisure time killing animals. People can get much of the thrill of the hunt pursuing animals with a camera instead of a rifle and I believe this is psychologically better than some atavistic lust to butcher a beast in cold blood. But I recognize that hunters have a right to their kills. I hope that as reason spreads through our culture -- if that ever happens -- that the popularity of hunting will wane.
    The better our culture becomes, the better our norms of treating animals will be, but our advancement is stifled and indeed retarded when the state assumes the role of our conscience and tells people what they should and should not do. As always, when the state intervenes where is ought not, then people forget their responsibilities and become like children who depend on adults to think and judge for them.




    THIS IS NOT MY WRITING


    It is A Repost from some guys blog
    http://myrhaf.blogspot.com/2007/08/free-michael-vick.html




    What are ya'll Feelings about this?
     
  2. NavasInc

    NavasInc Big Dog

    Wierd Man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  3. simms

    simms CH Dog

    I think this guy is off his rocker! Put this guy out in the woods and let him experience a little hunger. Personaly I think that would be good for all vegans and AR enthusiest....esp those that lack the survial skills to match thier convictions.
     
  4. I think the fella is absolutely crazy. All of what I just read is your common garbage from someone who wishes to defend those people. Sad sad world.
    While I agree with one or two LITTLE things, it for the most part, was garbage.
     
  5. jman11

    jman11 King of the Valley

    my guess is that he eats lost of magic mushrooms, then spends a few hours on the computer:eek:
     
  6. asilbreeder

    asilbreeder Banned

    Just like there is a bill of rights for humans there will soon be a bill of rights for animals......white people.
     
  7. coolhandjean

    coolhandjean CH Dog

    What the heck is that supposed to mean? You do realize that there are white people in jail for dog fighting, right? One is in jail for 102 years.
     
  8. I beg your pardon, but what in God's name is this suppose to mean? You must be black and ASSUME that what was said was directed at "black" people, as there is absolutely no other reason that rude and racist comment was made.

    Nothing was said about or towards black people. I see more and more race cards everyday. Everywhere I go. It is always "the poor left out" "the minority" "the this" "the that" black. I am sick of it. Just because MV is black does not mean that when people look down on him it has anything to do with his race. The only people that have that problem are people like you.

    If you really feel that MV was treated poorly because of his race and not his stupidity, then by golly, you should become that mans lawyer. Because even HE did not stoop that dumb. ;)
    Maybe you could teach him a thing or two.
     
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  9. jman11

    jman11 King of the Valley

    Maybe he is implying white people are the only only ones smart enough to get legislation passed and make changes in society(Good and Bad)?:confused::confused:
     
  10. Possibly, but I do not think so. The wording, in my opinion, is wrong for it to mean that. But I guess we are not all English Majors, right? :)
     
  11. jman11

    jman11 King of the Valley

    Lol... there was a reason I switched to Econ...
     
  12. frenchie1936

    frenchie1936 Guest

    i agree with his assertion that animals are property and they should not be provided for by the law. that's where it ends for me. the rest just sounded like a bunch of rambling. and there's nothing wrong with eating something natural that comes from the ground. however, doing so and than making an ass of yourself is a whole different story. ;)
     
  13. cutt

    cutt CH Dog

    .....do u see this.... exactly...hardly nuthin....this is the worlds smallest fiddle being played
     
  14. jman11

    jman11 King of the Valley

    As long as they aren't out driving around, Its all good.:)
     
  15. jman11

    jman11 King of the Valley

    Hey cutthroat... I think this dropped out of your pocket on the way to the Tampax Factory
    [​IMG]
     
  16. He he he he he, that, my friend, was very funny! Thank you! ;)
     
  17. CooljoeGoodie

    CooljoeGoodie Big Dog

    That dude is a sleep,with his mouth wide open.People like him are very dangerous.FREE VICK!!!!
     
  18. asilbreeder

    asilbreeder Banned

    what i meant is white people are the wackos that think animals are on the same level as humans..just look at the animal rights orgs...its all white old ladies and when the vick story broke out all the white ppl wanted him burned at the stake..for what fighting a few f'in dogs!??..the black people didnt give a chit except the uncle toms looking for approval..the hispanics also didnt give a chit..most of the ones i know fight roosters...but its always the privileged white person with his/her f'in lap dog all dressed up that passes these laws wanting to humanize a damn animal and giving us the shaft..whack!!!!
     
  19. youngheeler

    youngheeler Big Dog

    that remark was uncalled for
     
  20. youngheeler

    youngheeler Big Dog

    i understand what u mean but you could of worded it better without the racial statments im black but no need to open a can of worms bud
     
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