badger trial dogs

just read the thread about whether or not catch dogs were considered game bred,it got me wonderin whether the badger trial dogs of old where considered game bred,what do you think?

 

why cant people get it through their damn heads that there is a grand total of 1 way to test for gameness?? I dont get whats so damn hard to understand about that

 

lmao :rolleyes: plenty of possum & squirells around ..try that ...lmao

 

thanks for the replies i was asking because i hear some of the pit dogs of old often had dogs only tested on badger in their ped's

 

i beleive if i amnot mistaken woody d had his dog get a badger and he said it wasnt much of a fight..... chomp chomp shake shake and thats it

 

he did not say gameness,he said GAMEBRED which mean(having being birth from a tested dog)i think u don't know what it mean

 

well of course any dog could compete in badger trials game bred or not, I thought he was asking if badger trials could prove gameness and they cant

 

I agree 100%.

 

agreed thanks for clearing that up

 

im not 100% on the details but i think they used to do this in irelandand the strong would have to be small enough to go to ground and attack the badger in its own sett then the handler would pull the dog out with the badger attached,the handler then prys the dogs mouth off releases the badger, the dog goes back in and gets the badger again and the more he does it in a given time frame the higher he scores,this is just what ive heard so if im wrong please correct me,but im sure it wouldnt be just releasing a dog on a badger in the open

 

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i think thats a sound dog the kind which will find the sett and identify if its inhabited by baying

 

Here are the rules that governed one of the old tests of terriers.
Teastas Mor trial rules (IKC)
1. The trials must be conducted strictly within the law and are restricted to dogs and bitches which have not already qualified for the Teastas Mor certificate.
2. a) A veterinary surgeon must be in attendance at the trial. Under no circumstances may a trial take place without one, and his name and address must be recorded on the application for a licence and on the licence issued by the Kennel Club.
2. b) In the event of any serious injury occurring to any dog or badger, the animal at the discretion of the Veterinary Surgeon shall be humanely and expeditiously destroyed.
3. The trial of any dog must be in natural setts. Under no circumstances may tests be carried out in artificial setts. A dog may not be tried more than twice in any trial.
4. Once a badger is drawn, it must not be released or returned to the earth until the conclusion of the trials.
5. Badger in captivity shall not be used for tests or training.
6. Sounders are expected to go the ground with alacrity. When a sounder reports the presence of game by a full and sustained tongue, a reasonable time shall be allowed before diggers begin to work. When the sounders records persistently from one section of the sett, digging shall commence under the direction of the judges.
7. The badger shall be drawn by a strong terrier, with the assistance if necessary, and the size of the badger and underground conditions noted by the judges.
8. If a sett is apparently unoccupied, several terriers may be run through it and their eagerness to search noted.
9. With regards to strong terriers, the Teastas Mor is to be awarded to the terrier showing gameness in attacking badgers. Five minutes is the minimum period a terrier shall be in contact with the badger, except when the terrier draws the badger in less time. Each terrier shall be withdrawn as soon as possible after the five minutes have expired. The judges may direct that a terrier be again tried if, in their opinion, the first trial was for any reason an insufficient test.
10. Five minutes are to be allowed a terrier before being disqualified for failing to get in contact.
11. Barking shall be eliminated as much as possible and disqualification will follow barking after contact, provided that no terrier is disqualified for barking when in actual contact.

There were other rules and trials at the working terrier clubs around Ireland back then.
I dont think pits were used much on the old type trials, mostly wheaten,staffs and some ebts and their crosses.

 

thanks for that mate,i dont think apbts were heard of in europe back then,but i beleive ch stormers dam was a badger trial champion and im sure theres lots of others too,maybe somone else can fill me in?

 

European badgers are bigger,stronger and more ferocious than their American counterparts.

 

bigger stronger, yes. the ferocious part i find hard to believe tho. anyway, i was just gonna add i was reading somewhere that Russian badgers in the fall have been known to reach 80+lbs!!!!!!:eek::eek::eek::eek:

 

the african honey badger is the meanest, that badass doesnt even get scared of lions!:eek:

 

:eek: I wouldn't want to run into no 80lb badger.

 

if was to ever run into one whoever was with me would get a crash course on how to empty out a glock 23 as fast a humanly possible

 

An 80lb badger!!! Better have your med kit at the ready. And a trusty pistol also wouldn't hurt. Just in case.