badger trial dogs

i hit a 25 pounder in the head with a .223 from 20 feet one time, and it ran right down his skull. didnt even penetrate it:eek: no lie

 

An 80lb badger!!! Better have your med kit at the ready. And a trusty pistol also wouldn't hurt. Just in case.
Sounds like a wolverine to me. I know the Russian boars are no joke also.

 

The most famous badger dogs in Ireland back then were the Dublin Red Strain and O' Flynn Staffs. One of the most famous was Wolf Island boy, below.

http://realstafford.20m.com/images/wolf_island_boy.jpg

He was old at this time. Badgers are ferocious little fuc**rs and can outweigh the Staff. Staffs usually weigh 30-40 Lbs. You would hear alot of stories of dogs having their muzzle's tore off while down the hole with a badger.

Badger baiting is a test of Gameness in my opinion. You have a dog that is completely taken out of it's element and entering a wild animals domain to take it out. So whoever said there is only one way to test gameness, that is alot of BS. Terriers were bred to bulldogs back in the day to put gameness into the bulldog. Badger and Bull baiting existed long before Pit fighting.

The Pit Bull is my favourite dog, God knows, but to say the Pit is the only dog with Gameness is just crazy.

Check out this page for more photos of Badger and Pit dogs from Ireland and UK Untitled

 

ive let my dogs run into Badgers several times, and as scrappy as a badger can be, it by no means is a test for a good dog. Pit101, you are wrong, it doesnt test a dogs gameness at all.

 

So you have let your dog drag a badger from it's sett and pull it intoo the open and finish it? Or have you let your dog just run into a badger in the open? What weight is your dog? Roughly what weight was the badger?

Anyone can let a dog grab a badger in the open, big difference from going into the badgers den and getting it. Obviously you do not know much about badger baiting.

What dogs do APBT come from, how did they get their Gameness?

 

yep, stick your head in a badger den enough times barking and theyll come right up front wanting a scrap. of course my dogs havent crawled all the way inside, APBTs tend to run a little big for that.
and dont tell me about badgers, i own some land that seems to have more on them per acre than anywhere ive ever seen. i could go kick one up GUARANTEED if i chose to today. as for weight, ive used dogs from 30s to 50s. the badgers have ran 20s to boars weighing maybe mid 30s
were you serious on your last question?

 

IS THIS GUY SERIOUS ??? :rolleyes: get the badger stuff out your mind .

 

Ok listen, I know that badger baiting does not qualify for testing a dog for the pit. But if you cannot admit that a dog that willingly goes down the hole for that badger and drags that sucker out and kills it, most likely getting it's face tore to shit while down that hole is not a sign of Gameness?? Come on! As I said, dog's muzzle's have been torn off doing this and they still carry on.

Any SBT, APBT can rip a badger to pieces put in the open. The whole point is going in there to get the badger, that is what is called fair play, fair game.

I know it does not qualify for seeing if a dog is ready for the pit, but it sure as shit shows the dog is made of the right stuff.

Why would I not be serious about my last question? It is a simple question. I will rephrase it. How did APBT come to be? What dogs were used in the creation of the APBT?

 

terriers and old style working bulldogs

 

because there is not only one way. we as humans created this method for measuring gameness. who are you to say that a dog who gets his face chewed by a badger and continues is not game. actually other than the box this is the best way

 

because gameness is proven by two willing oppenents. badgers will put up a scrap, but if given a choice, they would choose to hang in the den. not go out looking to scrap with a dog.

 

but as has been said are european badgers not different to american?and the dog has to be of comparable size to fit into the den so its a bit like your smallest dog against a bigger badger than youve ever seen in the badgers habitat, dont get me wrong i dont actually think it proves gameness aswell as the other way,because wheatons and glen of immal terriers used to take part too and ive never heard of them having any ucccess in the pit (historically speaking)

 

i can see wher blanch is coming from .... but dont if the dog gets hurt they pull the dog right then and there and the vet begins to examine? in the box these dogs sustain heavy damage and keep going ... how can you tell if a dog is game if as soon as he gets deep in the battle they pull em when he gets a little injury?

 

Hi Popper. I see what your saying, but that is only the rules. Rules are made to be broken Most people in Ireland at least had their own trials. No vets, only them and their dogs.

These trials usually ended up with one or the other dying, usually the badger, but in alot of cases dogs were also killed, lost eyes, muzzles, ears you name it. A badgers claws can measure 5cm and above and can do an unbelievable amount of damage.

 

tbh i get the impression the vet was really only there to put dogs/badgers down if they were suffering and going to die anyway

 

I don't think gameness has anything to do with two willing opponents. Gameness is an animal that will not back down out of fear or quit no matter how badly injured. It wants to finish the fight no matter what.

Badgers are wild animals, hunters and don't need to go out looking for a scrap, but you come to them and they will scrap, to the death. Badgers might not be a willing opponent, but when the shit hits the fan, they will not run and hide like a fox or rabbit. They will defend their territory to the death.

We all have our own opinions, I think that the best badger dogs were game as game can be. They could sustain massive damage and still get that badger out of the sett and kill it, they did not run when things got hairy down there, so that to me is game.

I guess you would have to see it to appreciate it.

 

yeah i dont think badgers have much of an instinct to run away because theyre so damn slow lol and in ireland and britain theres nothing indiginous that can mess with them

 

the subject depends on what you consider game??? you throw terrier in the den with a badger chances are in aint gonnalast all that long ... when you have two game dogsin the box they can last 1 ,2 even 3 hours or more . i think yalls definition of game is somehwat diffrent then ours

 

We have Pit bulls in Ireland too, trust me I know what game is. Jesus why is this so hard to explain. Let me put it simply. Pit Bulls are not the only animal on this planet that are game. Staffs have gone hours in the pit also, if you don't belive me, are two links for you Untitled On this "Untitled link" you will see some of the dogs that competed in both these sports. Here you can read more about it http://www.game-bred.com/indigenous%20fighting%20dogs%20of%20the%20British%20Isles.pdf

Staffs were the main badger dogs in Ireland. These dogs were used in both badger trials and the Pit. You could get a good idea of a dogs worth on how he does in the badger trials.

Please tell me your definition of game.

 

you have "pitbulls" we CREATED American Pit Bull Terriers. our dogs are the definition of "game" and we dont need wild critters to try to prove that. get over it. im done with this argument, but ill leave you with this, ive used my dogs over the years to kill more badgers than most will ever see in a lifetime, but i wouldnt consider one of them dogs game because of it.