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100% colby

Discussion in 'Dog Discussion' started by okeefes pit boss, Feb 19, 2010.

  1. TDK

    TDK CH Dog Staff Member

    Interesting, Mike. I haven't seen Sonny in quite awhile, but I knew him pretty well until I became geographically too far to have a lot of contact. I'd be interested to hear as he is one colorful fella. LOL I do know of a few capers etc. Right from his own words. But it sounds like fun to hear more. Thanks, and if you think it's something you can pm to me, please do. If not, let me know if you have other means in mind.
    Appreciated. T.
     
  2. keystone

    keystone CH Dog

    1. Indian Sonny Had this to say about the Colby dogs.

      Mr John P Colby was an active breeder for many years and produced some of the best dogs of his time. Much of his foundation stock was from the Gas House and Burke strains, as were the dogs of many other breeders. The difference in the quality of the dogs Mr Colby produced was the result of breeding principles he employed. Also, Mr Colby in my opinion possessed a very important attribute, which I refer to as a gift.

      Mr Colby practised a simplified version of genetics, Best to Best, selective breeding


      Best to Best does not mean performing dogs alone. It entails all aspects of the dogs, from performance to pedigree. The most obvious qualities would be gameness, biting power, talent, stamina and a great bloodline. A bloodline is the result of a breeders influence.

      Over the years dogs bred by Mr Colby began to exhibit physical and mental characteristics such as conformation, colour and gameness which distinguished them. These dogs were then referred to as Colby Dogs. Thus we have the Colby Bloodline. People were proud to say, "This here is a pure Colby dog". This sounds simple; and it leads people to ask; why there were not more top breeders? I believe deciding on what is Best to Best is the key.

      I'm not sure that every dog Mr Colby bred to was Dead game; and I'm equally sure he did not breed to every Dead game dog he owned. This is where the gift comes in. It seems to be an in-born sense or ability. I believe most outstanding accomplishments have been made by men who were endowed with a gift for their respective fields.

      I do not believe that man knows enough about genetics at this time to produce great animals; and he most certainly didn't know enough in the days of Mr Colby. Race horse people spend millions of dollars a year, trying to produce great horses, with only marginal success. Similarly, there is no pattern for producing Great dogs.


      Friends
      The most essential qualities a breeder may possess are; dedication, a gift, a knowledge of Best to Best, and money might come in handy. If a breeder combines these attributes he is likely to produce, with luck, a great strain of dogs.

      It doesn't take too much effort to recall the great Colby dogs of the past. These dogs were bred from the pit and for the pit.

      But all of this brings us to a very important question; When a strain of dogs that were once highly regarded, such as Colby's, stops producing consistently good pit dogs, is this strain still to be considered good? I have heard people say, "I know he's a cur, but the blood is there". While this is true in many cases, I wonder how long we can continue to breed to curs and hope to produce game pit dogs.

      What is good blood and how long will it remain good if we continue to breed to dogs, who do not possess the qualities of their ancestors? While great breeders can breed to dogs who themselves do not exhibit good qualities; can the average breeder afford to take this gamble?

      I have seen strains of dogs that have not produced dogs fitting this description for many years, and people who are active in the sport refer to them as good blood or good brood stock. Many seem to proceed under the assumption, that once a bloodline is good it remains good forever. Many well-meaning people have continued to breed Colby dogs exclusively, thinking all that was necessary to preserve the quality of the strain, was to breed to a dog that had the name Colby on his pedigree.


      I believe that we have to continuously strive to improve the strain, in order to keep it as good as it was or is. It's an accepted theory, that in order for an institution to continue, it must change and continuously seek to improve. To preserve a bloodline, there is more required than just breeding to dogs whose pedigree shows a particular name. Change is required in order to prevent change in the quality of dogs produced. The Colby strain was developed by change.


      Friends
      I have heard people say, that the dogs of yesteryear were gamer than those of today. Could it be, in some cases, because we have tried to play Pat and in doing so have lost ground. The people that have bred Colby dogs exclusively for these many years, thinking they were doing what was best, have perhaps underestimated their own ability to breed good dogs.

      Many of them have bred dogs for 40 years or more and could have perhaps contributed much more to their own dogs, by using their own ideas and experience. New ideas are necessary in every field. Sports records are consistently surpassed by those not satisfied with repeating someone else's past performance. Last year's record won't win this year's meet.

      Were the dogs of yesteryear really superior? I'm sure many dog men of the past would think we have it too easy, because we don't have to grow secret vegetables and cook our dog's food or boil their water. Penicillin has replaced many old remedies, making better dog care possible. I have read some diets that top dog men used. While some were good, none could compete with any good commercial dog food available in countless supermarkets. The poorest feeder today is able to provide better nutrition than the best feeder of yesteryear. We also have refrigeration and other conveniences.

      It is not my intention to criticise old-timers and their methods. How many of us would be feeding as many dogs if we had to cope with the same adverse conditions? I think our mission however, is to pick up where they left off, emulating their objectives rather than their methods. The Colby dogs of the past, fit the description of good blood, as their pit records indicate. The Colby strain was developed on the principle of Best to Best. When that principle is no longer employed there is bound to be a drastic change in quality. In a very short period of time a great strain of dogs can be reduced to a strain that can do no more than refer to their pedigree and say "My great, great, grand-daddy was a pit dog....I think!"

      By Indian Sonny​

    no matter what but this is a nice writing lol​





























































     
  3. Mudville_Monsta

    Mudville_Monsta Top Dog

    Nice read for sure.
     
  4. corvettedex

    corvettedex CH Dog

    I Agree 100% !
     
  5. Foundation

    Foundation Big Dog

    Well If it can be said; It has been said .. If it can be done; It has been done.

    Good post! :):D:D:)
     
  6. corvettedex

    corvettedex CH Dog

    :sign0087:
    Bump-Yes Sir ! There is a lot of truth in Sonny's post. However for those that dont know, Mr Louis Colby '' Rip'' Did not have the only Pure Colby yard. As times changed, He was under the ''microscope'' There for, The Colby best to best breeding did continue, However, not advertised nor available to everyone in the bulldog buying world. This information that im sharing is a ''FACT'' ! 100% Pure Colby Pitdogs Are still being Produced to this very day. Certain Dogmen had the connection, & Kept it Quiet. A ''example'' If the cake baking world had Betty Crocker's Recipe, Then Betty Crocker would be out of business. Its not my intention to get a Argument started on Pitdogs, I just want Colby fans to know that if connected, they can have a Pure Colby Dog and it's True Pedigree in 2014 with out having to say, My Great, Great, Grand Daddy was a Pit dog ! I think.:nono: Dex.....
     
  7. BullDawg

    BullDawg Big Dog

    yes.
    lou's former yard is now being run by his grandson, Pete, who also has his own yard in s. N.H. 2 sons also still have dogs. (i believe) not sure how active they are.
    as far as Colby breeders, ask around: they're out there...
     
  8. corvettedex

    corvettedex CH Dog

     
  9. corvettedex

    corvettedex CH Dog

    And i got 1...3xw Champion Major ! So Colby haters, FUCK OFF !!!!!!
     
  10. corvettedex

    corvettedex CH Dog

    The Grave digger knows... See how stupid sum folks are....
     
  11. treezpitz

    treezpitz CH Dog Staff Member

    ........yawn........
     
  12. Laced Wit Game

    Laced Wit Game Yard Boy

    roll up tree... lol
     
  13. treezpitz

    treezpitz CH Dog Staff Member

    lol You know I am LWG.
     
  14. Granite Co.

    Granite Co. Big Dog


    No, you have a FAKE ASS CHUMPION PETBULL .. A couch potatoe who's "wins" were all a product of his owners imagination ..
    And when you quote people like BobbyRooster (who was EXPOSED for FAKING PEDIGREES ON HIS DOGS) it just shows that you are one IGNORANT S.O.B ..
     
  15. treezpitz

    treezpitz CH Dog Staff Member

    I like your style Granite, we're very similar. If I smell bullshyt, I call it. And you've busted another member's bubble before just when he thought he had a lot of people fooled with his made up stories LOL. Gotta stay on these faking ass clowns LOL.
     
  16. 87buick

    87buick Top Dog

    Wannabe dog man buying up hounds and not checking to see if there true to there standard of worthy. Just buy, breed, sell, tell lies, and stand by them. I mean what for? Fame? A rep? I thought it was about the hounds and not personal gain.
    I never understood a lot of people logic toward these dog. I mean history has showed, the greats were in great hands. Dedicated folks. Yes once in awhile you get a fucker who tries to cash in a after they get success but all they wind up doing is making it harder for the next man because of the all mighty dollar. It always goes back to the fucking dollar, greed, and fame.
     
  17. Louis Cypher

    Louis Cypher Big Dog

    Couldn't help myself LOL.
    [video=youtube;9Z0VMI67a4Y]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Z0VMI67a4Y[/video]
     
  18. ursaminor

    ursaminor Top Dog

    Haven't seen that one before, g1 Louis.
     
  19. Louis Cypher

    Louis Cypher Big Dog

    Good ole Pee Wee. Classic...in a demented kind of way:)
     
  20. ragedog10

    ragedog10 Top Dog

    It's a hell of a story. If the local comp is so bad then why would someone brag about it? Dex made making CH sound so easy which so a total lack of experience , but who am I ? Yis Ole Man
     

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