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coon hunting with pitbulls?

Discussion in 'Hunting' started by kalenhcc, Jun 29, 2010.

  1. benthere

    benthere CH Dog Staff Member

    Try video taping your bulldog attacking another animal & show it to people & you will find out how legal it really is. Trail or sight hounds catching & killing their prey after a chase is one thing (but you still don't want to advertise it) - putting a bulldog on another animal is another. I am all for hunting with dogs, I just know that its time is coming to an end very rapidly. In a number of western states it is being banned a little bit at a time as we speak. If you don't thing I am right, look at one of the HSUS's main agendas:
    http://www.humanesociety.org/issues/hound_hunting/
    And as far as bulldogs & hunting go - as catch dogs only....and even then you mostly don't want gamebred bulldogs. There are plenty of breeds that are great hunting dogs - sorry but bulldogs aren't.....
     
  2. benthere

    benthere CH Dog Staff Member

    Exactly. As a general rule, bulldogs are lousy at any of the things that constitute true hunting.
     
  3. Naustroms

    Naustroms CH Dog

    Bulldogs can be pretty good at beating and catching animals out of cover and running down coyote.
     
  4. benthere

    benthere CH Dog Staff Member

    Well Naus,
    maybe some folks can turn their "bulldogs" loose without risking serious problems, but I have only ever owned one that could be loose & even she took off after a whole herd of buffalo once. I may not know much about dogs, but the idea of turning a bulldog loose to go hunting seems like asking for trouble to me.

    Here is what I know about hunting with bulldogs or even bulldog mixes: What you gain in intensity & desire you lose in control & ability. Just not worth the trade off to me. Sighthounds are far better at running down coyotes & there are many better trailing & flushing breeds. Actually use one of them for these jobs & you will realize that a bulldog is the wrong tool for the job - sure you might be able to do it, but why use a hammer when what you need is a wrench.
    Just out of curiosity how does one propose to break their bulldogs off of off game? I have not found shock collars to work too well on most bulldogs.

    http://www.martinsk9formula.com/content/view/92/29/ The last paragraph in this essay is the TRUTH!

    That is all I have to say on this subject.
     
  5. Naustroms

    Naustroms CH Dog

    They're definitely not the preferred method but they "can" be used if someone really felt the need to make it work. Running down coyotes would really be the best option other than hog hunting but it really depends on the individual animal. Not to mention you'll most likely have to hunt with one single dog it just makes things extremely difficult but I've been out with guys who lure coyotes with calls and run them down with bulldogs.

    There's definitely better ways to go about pest control but the topic isn't what's easiest or practical.
     
  6. FATCITY

    FATCITY Big Dog

    People do your own research into this subject with your local fish and game department ! They will have the info you whish to know and follow it to the letter !! But they making it harder and harder to do what we love and the humane society is not the best place to find info on hunting !! This is just my two cents!!!
     
  7. Be careful with raccoons. They won't give a bulldog much if any trouble physically but they are full of disease.

    My girl caught coonhound paralysis after messing up a raccoon on my farm. Took 10 months and a lot of $$$$ to recover from that.
     
  8. coondog4

    coondog4 Pup

    We have used bulldogs in barns and out buildings. We use hounds for tracking and treeing. I don't care how wicked awesome your ped is... my worst hound will out track and tree, naturally, your best RBJ bred bulldog hands down.

    At the same token you wouldn't catch me setting 2 hounds down in a box and hooting and hollering about having the gamest coondogs in town.
     
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  9. benthere

    benthere CH Dog Staff Member

    Finally someone who understands....

    Why is it people want to believe that pit bulls are all-purpose dogs?!! They are actually one of the most limited breeds there is - they have shortcomings that make them virtually useless for many activities. Yes there are exceptions.....but they are EXCEPTIONS and not the average of the breed.

    Now before you all jump down my throat, I love bulldogs and have probably owned more of them than most folks on this board. But, I understand what they are & are not. I have also owned several other working breeds that have lead me to this conclusion.

    I think Richard Stratton gave a lot of people airy-fairy ideas about pit bulls - like they are great tree-climbing dogs. Shit, they don't hold a candle to a lot of trail hounds in that department. I have had trail hounds that I thought were part monkey they could climb so well.
     
  10. bamaman

    bamaman GRCH Dog

    its hard to use bulldogs..even for hog catching it hard unless you live in a area that thier are so many hogs you dont need scent hound then you just use the bulldog alone.Where i live we have to use scent hounds.Its hard to find the right bulldogs that can catch in this situation and not go after scent hounds.In these situations they almost have to always be watered down some and then you just hope its not too much.I have bred my last batch of them .
     
  11. benthere

    benthere CH Dog Staff Member

    Another real hunter who understands!!
     
  12. bamaman

    bamaman GRCH Dog

    I have preached it benthere I got young guys always lookin for catch dogs and when one doesnt work out because its been watered down ...oh hell ..then they start wanting the hot ones and I tell them u cant use that ..And they all say the same dam thing ..I can break them from that shit..And I tell em the same thing ,well you better go find one then.I told em all start breeding youur own I am through with catch dogs.
     
  13. XLR8

    XLR8 Big Dog

    LOL people think they can break a game bred pit bull from being dog aggressive. If it's hot then it's hot. End of. It's part of the dog's genetic make up. It's like saying "I can make this brindle dog red" LOL. The Dogo Argentino makes a great catch dog and they are bigger than Pits, they work well with scent hounds. Dogos are basically watered down Cordoba Fighting Dogs who were too dog aggressive to hunt in packs. Selective breeding to maintain animal aggression whilst lowering dog aggression has made made Dogos real good catch dogs.
     
  14. Mr.Revolution

    Mr.Revolution CH Dog

    I thought dogos were made from about 10 diff kinds of dogs
     
  15. XLR8

    XLR8 Big Dog

    Yeah that's true enough but the Cordoba was the base dog to which the others were crossed into. I've read of accounts that state male and female Cordoba fighting dogs would sometimes rather fight than mate.
     
  16. shotgun wg

    shotgun wg Big Dog

    I have a running catch dog that is half ridgeback half pit. He has the nose stamina and grit to get the job done. I have a friend that has a game pit. He will put him down as a RCD time to time. He keys off the bay dogs and goes to them but can find a hog also. Where we hunt there are no cows. Catching a deer is highly unlikely. They were both broke off trash. Neither is DA until hog is dead. At that point get them away from the hog and they are fine. Most pit's I know of used in hunting are lead in catch dogs. I do know a few old guys that would walk hunt pit's on hogs. They didn't rely on the dogs tracking ability but instead they found the area hogs were using and would jump the pigs and cut the dogs loose. This has been my experience hunting with pit's.
     
  17. You need to find the right one, but people can train a pitbull to hunt. Slave owners used to use them to catch runaways, which highlights hot track trailing ability. They used to climb the tree to retrieve the slaves and fur bearing animals, most of y'all probably still train them to run up trees. Only modern dog people would say an apbt is one dimensional, because they are projecting their opinions about the breed due to their own limitations. Back in the day the apbt was the farmers favorite dog because they were extremely versatile. Now y'all might be right, but at the same time I think y'all are pretty quick to concede that they can't hunt. Some hounds don't hunt, some pits cur out, and broken clocks work twice a day.
     
  18. davidfitness83

    davidfitness83 Top Dog

    APBTS bred to catch slaves? where do people come up with this stuff ? lol
     
  19. David utilization of an animal is different than the standard they use to breed. Its documented in various accounts,including one post on this forum. You're a Yankee so I'd expect a uninformed reply like that, especially since history and slavery were brought up. I can pull it up if you want.
     
  20. MCS

    MCS CH Dog

    Sound more like you talking about the american bulldog bud.... ol' southern white, scott type. And you gotta figure too pitbull dogs weren't JUST in the south they plenty up north and through the mid west....anyway this was random to dig this thread up
     

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