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who knows about dna testing

Discussion in 'APBT Bloodlines' started by ben brockton, Sep 14, 2011.

  1. ben brockton

    ben brockton CH Dog

    can i find out if a dog was paper hung in the 4th generation? lets say dog A is heavy inbred xyz dog & the ped show it a certain way but i believe it's not true. dog B is bred true but from what i think dog A came from. would a dna test be able to show the common ancestors if both dogs came from the same family?
     
  2. Breawna

    Breawna Pup

    In a lot of cases it's a waste of money.
     
  3. u can do a mitochondria DNA test through the bitches line through infinity. how? you need the DNA of a female that definitely has said line in question primary bitch in her ped. take her DNA compare it to your bitch they should both have that particular strain of mitochondria DNA in their test.

    i believe that's as close as you can get with out spending a million dollars and grave robbing.
    Correct me if I'm wrong but this would only prove or disprove that the dog was actually related but not prove parentage. To have the proof of parentage I believe you would have to have the dna of both parents and so on up the pedigree. So yes it would be very expensive and that would only be if the dogs were all still alive.

    I'm no expert so please if I'm wrong please somebody help out LOL
     
  4. IRON KING

    IRON KING Pup

    It is possible to produce a genetic examination of dead animals.
     
  5. IRON KING

    IRON KING Pup


    In most multicellular organisms, mtDNA is inherited from the mother (maternally inherited). Because mtDNA is transmitted from mother to child (both male and female), it can be a useful tool in genealogical research into a maternal line.
    Y-chromosomal DNA, paternally inherited, is used in an analogous way to trace the agnate lineage .
    There have been reports that mitochondria can occasionally be inherited from the father in some species such as mussels. Paternally inherited mitochondria have additionally been reported in some insects such as fruit flies, honeybees, and periodical cicadas. Evidence supports rare instances of male mitochondrial inheritance in some mammals as well. Specifically, documented occurrences exist for mice, in sheep, and in cloned cattle.
     
  6. The majority of my dogs are DNA VIP but I'm only sure about direct parents ( mother / father ) because i saw them and I do the test myself on them ( it's around $40 if both parents are already registered.
    For the rest ( grand-father or ancestors ) is more complicated and you have to believe the breeder most of the time
     
  7. The majority of my dogs are DNA VIP but I'm only sure about direct parents ( mother / father ) because i saw them and I do the test myself on them ( it's around $40 if both parents are already registered to prove parentage).
    For the rest ( grand-father or ancestors ) is more complicated and you have to believe the breeder most of the time
    Also, you can do test for differents deseases like here
     
  8. ben brockton

    ben brockton CH Dog

    thanks yall for your answers i think im SOL.
     
  9. IRON KING

    IRON KING Pup

    All us dogs in kennel are DNA-VIP - DNA tested seven generations.
     
  10. LEFTLANE

    LEFTLANE Pup

    If you watch enough tv. You know dna testing is BAD. It can and will be used against you.
     
  11. brindlexpitt

    brindlexpitt Top Dog

    thats what i would of thought. your option would be grave robbing lol
     
  12. old goat

    old goat CH Dog

    black king kennels is the expert on this subject .
     
  13. old goat

    old goat CH Dog

    hihi iron king kennels . they know what they're talking about .
     
  14. Saiyagin

    Saiyagin Chihuahua

    Damn ben , while you at can you DNA Honeybunch so I know for sure who she is off of LMAO.
     
  15. mlmaas

    mlmaas Top Dog

    check up on that frisco crap while your at it.
     
  16. IRON KING

    IRON KING Pup

    Old goat - many, many, thanks ...

    If we understood correctly, in the messages (above), talked about a dog whose sperm has been frozen. Right? If not - correct us, please. Under the rules, frozen semen an animal must be accompanied (has) genetic passport. From frozen sperm, which fertilize the female, so you can make a genetic examination. Consequently, if you have a question or suspicion after the birth of puppies, you can easily do an analysis of children and their mother - and later compare the results - you will see where and in whom there is a problem.
    And a little clarification - perhaps someone knowledgeable in the subject, and perhaps - and no. Genetic certification (examination) of the animals are doing on microsatellite loci nuclear DNA-not by mitochondrial DNA. This is not the same thing.
    Best wishes to all.
     
  17. old goat

    old goat CH Dog

    i think ben was talking about in dogs 3-4 generations back in the pedigree . can you get the dna profile to see if there was a switching of pedigrees on a dog 4 generations back .
     
  18. ben brockton

    ben brockton CH Dog

    yes thats what im asking old goat, this dog is in a lot of folks ped. it say he bred one way but even the folks that it shows under never took creadit for making the breeding. they have said that the sir/dame was never bred to produce the dog in question.
     
  19. IRON KING

    IRON KING Pup

    Sorry for the delay in response. If not have a biological sample (DNA, or the remains of the animal) or genetic information of dog from 3-4 generations (of which you speak) - you can not
    do it.
    ben brockton, if you have the desire - to write to us on a private message (with a more your detailed information).
     
  20. culabula

    culabula Big Dog

    cant be done back that far ben,,As far as i know mastiffs and bullmastiffs cant be told apart in a d.n.a test-what ancestor in the pedigree do you have doubts about(not their name,position Dam sire of father etc)-
     

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