Mouth???

Because intentions are a result of situations. You dont inherit the situations you get into. Only the tools to deal with those situations.

 

i agree with slim when your dog figures out what its got it will use it or it wont just depends on the seriousness of his drive.and imo scratching hard is worth as much or more then a dog that has nothing but mouth.

 

So i guess what most r saying and i would tend to agree is that once a dog is fully mature u cant teach him to bite no harder than he wants or his body will allow.I say his body will allow because if a dog cant bite as hard as another dog in the first place theres no way to teach him to.In boxing once u learn how to properly sit down on and throw a proper punch thats probly bout as hard as u gon hit.Meanwhile the next guy just hits hard as shit(naturally heavy handed) and couldnt throw a proper punch to save his life.But if one of those dummies catch u the its nite nite.I think some pits r just heavy mouthed and some aint and the ones that aint aint never gonna be.In boxing they say u cant teach power and speed either u got or u dont and for the most part thats true.i think its the same for dogs

 

its true that you can teach a dog to bite harder, however you can't increase a dogs genetically predisposed mandible capabilities which we commonly refer to as "mouth"...dogs can be trained in the same perspective as an athlete...you can't take a track and field athlete to a world heavyweight title holding boxer however you can teach them how to throw faster, harder, more precise punches. you can teach but you cannot alter, meaning there will inevitably be a limit to what your animal is genetically, or more elementally, physically capable of doing on any day under the most optimal of circumstances...with that being said there is an understood appreciation, imho, of bite strength used in combat or bite work related instances due to the simple fact that people and animals get better with practice and your dog uses his mouth all day every day...therefore when he is 24-30 months he will be more experienced and apply more pressure when he deems necessary. at 12-18 months they just don't have the experience under their belt to know when or exactly how to use their God given jaw strength to its full potential...just my 2 cents...bjh

 

I was speaking to a zoo keeper at the zoo that had skulls of a lion, cheeta, and a zebra on display. She was explaining to me that there biting power comes from the ridge on the top back part of the skull. She said to me that the deeper the ridge or higher the ridge the more biting force the animal will have. The lion skull out of the the skulls display had the largest ridge. I ask her if dogs had this ridge and she said they do also but she said more like the cheetas skull ( I would say this is true for common dogs). So if you want to more mouth in theory breed for a high ridge, this should bring a heavier mouth dog.

 

good point here

 

Good post Slim, still there are lines and strains that throw it more often than others. I think there is more to it but I don't think its worth breeding for or worrying about. Just a bonus

 

First off don't take advice from zookeepers when it comes to these mutts. Wild animals will tuck tail and run at the first hint of trouble. All that skull size, ridge or arch stuff is BS. There have been greyhound looking mutts that could crunch. Just like there have been ones that look like killers that couldn't bust a grape. I remember one way back when that looked like shit, but she could bite like hell and she produced the same traits. In parting mouth ain't worth shit standing in a corner. Mouth is just part of the equation, not the whole answer. Fill in the other blanks before worrying about mouth.

 

Just one question for the forum members. Which do you prefer, a dog that bites very hard but for a short period of time or a dog that bits not that hard, but he keeps that hold longer? I know most of us prefeer both togheter but when a dog is doing a long task, sometimes mouth strenght decreases as he gets tired.

 

well put in my mind like you said what ever they give ya keep it and take it to trail swallow the key and take it to the grave..... but i feel its more genetic tho some jus have it red boy dogs dint bite untill they crossed with jocko.....i mean its rare that an eli dog comes with no mouth...but in alot of the redboy lines they dont come with alot of mouth.....but they can be trained a dog man....very well known dog man said most dogs dont use they back teeth cuz they never learned he said place a bone in the ground and move it a few inches away from his chain or far enough where he will use mostly his kneck you dont want him to be putting his paw on it but any how it strengthens the jaw and your dog will become acustomed to usin his jaw to shutdown on objects......try it and see how diff he holds a lock

 

yeah yeah, game is more important with the will to win. Mouth is just part of the equation and the topic. As taking advice from zoo keepers thats laughable!

 

Then the question is why are there differences, could it be the muscles, adrenaline, harmones, teeth alinement, or a combination of all these together? Minus the ripper or shedders.

 

scratching hard aint worth shit when scratching into the face of death ... lmao there are tons of game dogs killed by hard mouth curs because dipshits think thats what your suppose to be bringing ... mouth and ability is with no question just as valuble as "game" after all thats what a bulldog is right .. by the way to answer what this was all started about . the reason the dog started out biteing harder when he was young was he was stupid and came across with everything and tried to take care of it in short order put all his power in his bite .. as the dog matured he got smarted and put his strength into controlling the other animal and uses less strength trying to destroy him because he has learned controll is smarter and safer and keeps him out of trouble .. pay more attention to your dogs and they will tell you theses things ... good luck

 

So it is tru to a certain degree that a hound can lose mouth...he really doesn't lose it just learns how to control it better than he did when he was younger...ok I understand now....I get wat they were telling me........u can't win without sone type of mouth in today's game, not if u fukkin wit da big boys!!...I luv a game dog but I would take zebo, queen of hearts, termite, chinaman dog anyday!!...I don't just look for mouth but at the same time he has to have some mouth to even be box worthy!

 

I like that. But they change waht. It was about. Wee wanted to know does mouth get better when he gets full grown

 

Be sure to keep up on your animals dental hygiene. Cracked, chipped, and broken teeth can lead to gum disease. This can make for a very painful situation. Not to mention the bacteria associated with this can cause a huge mass of other health problems like abscesses in the gums which can be fatal.

I could see this as being an instance where a 'hard biting' dogs mouth would be less effective. Well any working dog to be honest.....

 

just because they broken teeth does'nt affect the bite .