Queen of Hearts v/s Bad Rosemary

Who would take the win ? What if rosemary would of stayed with stp here in the USA, do you think her life would of been any different hunt wise an production wise

 

Very different imo


March isn't the only month for Madness!!

 

Rosemary was much bigger female, but yes, D.A. ruined her, matched her overweight, even pregnant, twice into male. lost her b/c he had not have antibiotics for her after her 5th.

 

If stp would have kept her i think she would be in more peds an a better record jmo only one can wonder what could of been

 

Bad Rosmary had a freaky mouth and showed to be slow perhaps due to the wieght and or pregnacy...
Queen of Hearts had the speed and efficiantcy of an ACE...
The old storey of can the Ace hold out the freak??? C&H play a huge part in something than can change so fast...
So in the ignorant hand of the dumbass Ablizan, NO... STPs perhaps...
An ACE holds value more than a FREAK in my eyes...
As far as production goes, Ill take the Queen also... Perhaps cause I like Queens brreding better but really cause she was bred to better males, IMO...
Ablizan bred and sold plenty of dogs that quit on the very video tapes he SOLD of shows and rolls...
He was all about money and didnt have the breed in best of mind, or any mind at all...
Abraham on the other hand was an actual dogman that respected the game...

 

BR was a big strong bitch. A good 10lbs diff.

 

Nothing we write now can truly be taken as indisputable fact regarding the topic as these two never met, but our speculation and opinions would make for interesting and amusing discussion and debate.
I obviously never ever seen these two in the flesh nor did I see them in action except for BR's matches on video. And as my opinion is baseless, it may be tinged with bias. But I will offer one nevertheless. Lol.
I believe that QoH would have triumphed and done so easily. Its merely my opinion. I base this on the fact that in my opinion QoH was campaigned in the golden age of the sport and into damn good opposition (both dog and kennel) whereas BR was not campaigned into comp of the same standard. Now everyone can bite my head off. Its only an opinion and u know that opinions are like assholes, everyone has one.

 

Good views Mashaplan...
Queen was at the right place in the right hands at the right time...
Bad Rosmarys was in the wrong hands, place and time and her life with azzfromhead was a game test in itself...

 

as I always say bad rosemary is one of my favorite bitches of all time...her story written is more interesting than her matches on video i must say lol. does anybody know how many times rosemary was breed? and to what males?

 

ONLINE PEDIGREES :: OFFSPRING :: S.T.P.'S (AKA ABLIZIN'S) BAD ROSEMARY (4XW)(1XLG) :: [108004]
The males bred to rosemary are bred nice including her brother who produced well, but the one stp kept produced the best,imo...
Stp schooled all thee siblings out and felt Clean mary represented what they were looking for and sold Rosemary and Luther to ablizin...
ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [10925] :: <B>S.T.P.'S CLEAN MARY (1XW)
Austin powers and Two Ginas were my favorite breedings with her...
ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [239866] :: AUSTIN POWERS I
ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [67321] :: C.A.K.'S TWO G'S
ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [9589] :: <B>C.A.K'S GINA BLUE EYES (1XLG)
one Gina... ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [38743] :: <B><FONT COLOR=GREEN>C.A.K.'S JUMBO GINA (1XW)
other Gina...ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [10924] :: ZEBO'S GINA GIRL (3XW)
been trying to bring my ramblings back full circle and back to the topic through Rosemarys mother....

 

Whether pr, dr or the west indies...
Theres a couple sisters just like these...
ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [118420] :: PR.JOE'S SWEET LOU 3XW-1XLG
A great litter off a super producer,Luther jr....
I have heard first hand(ouch) that tight Paz dogs are exite biters so you better watch your arse when dealing with them...

 

I feel sorry for STP because they lost a great bitch who could conceivably have been a Gr CH on their yard (possibly retired to brood since she was sufficiently good to beat three bitches and a male), and of course I feel sorry for Bad Rosemary RIP.

 

Stp was in the buisness of selling dogs at that time and got what they wanted for Rosemary and Luther...
Sure Stp might have had a gr ch out of Rosemary, Luther or Clean Mary whom they thought was the best, and Stps standard was world class...
So was Stps competition and at the times im sorry to say that the competition was at its peak in the americas...
What was seen by the oversea novis bulldoggers shows they were just getting thier feet wet...
A majority of them would have been out conditioned, handeled and bulldogged in the states...
Yes times have changed and the competition has become world class across the globe, but not very little then...
It was at this time Stp was getting out of the fast lane and into breeding, always putting together best...
I understand what your going for and its you feel sorry for Rosemary, me too unsavory practices with a solid bulldog...
Think of what was goig on in Abzlilns area at that time and its a product of enviroment...

 

Everything you said establishes a context and a lot of what went down makes more sense, though nothing can rationalize sticking a good bitch into a hunt while she was pregnant, not having antibiotics for aftercare, etc.

 

never seen queen but heard she was ace bitch, seen rosemary not too much ability, straight foward dog, hardest biting mouth ive ever seen to date. rsemary would have edge size would play a big role.




D. irvin

 

Stp didn't want to sell br an put a big price tag on her thinkin he would turn away. At least thats what i gathered . I like both br an qoh an i would be hard pressed if i had to choose. If at the same wait an stp had br i think we would be talkin about a epic race an nether one would of made it back to the farm . But i mite be a dummy lol . Yis