The Myth of Best to Best Explained

Thanks for the insight sir, i appreciate it.

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Maybe it's time to move on from the thinking that breeding tight is best, that method was more popular back in the early days because people didn't have the means to travel. As anyone ever wondered why these dogs improved from the dogs that were brought from the British Isles??

 

Because they came to America and we make everything better. Lmao..

Everyone else just makes it cheaper. :lol:

 

Imagine this.
You start a yard with a handful of dogs & none are related.
Since you own them ,they are all registered in your name, meaning have your name in front.
They are all good dogs by your standards. You breed 2 great dogs together. You get what your looking for. Parents will be your 1st generation with your name , pup will be your 2nd generation your name.
You then take this dog to a 3 rd unrelated dog on your yard registered in your name out of the 1st initial 5 dogs.

Pups from this will be your 3rd generation even if from a different family.
You can't get around it. Even if they are all from different families
You as the breeder will have your name consistent for 3 generations.
You can get the best from this one. So on & so forth.

It doesn't matter weather you start out with 5 different lines or add 5 different lines later.
Your name will always be consistent as long as you like what you feed & breed.
It's those that never like what they feed & change altogether that never have a family.
3 generations is good enough , but if you have 20 yrs are more I would expect to see more dogs you like that you fed & bred over those 20 yrs in your peds.
Meaning more than just 3 generations.

The longer you are in the game & the more you breed dogs, Your name will go generation to generation. Even if you breed the last dog you proved to a family you never seen before. That's just what happens & creates families.

20 yrs can be 10-20 generations.

Fact is some just jump from family-family altogether because they know that what are feeding isn't all of that.
If they had more confidence in the dog then they would @ least cross it to the new strain not get rid of it altogether. That's why allot won't have a family but been into dogs for many of years.
This also explains about real history. If someone bragged on a dog or family they had & never got out of dogs then why didn't they breed to it?

If they did it would be in the family to this day. Maybe not up close or even heavy on it but it would be @ least in the pedigree.

Who would get rid of a CH they had to buy someone else's unproven dog & based a yard that they currently feed on the unproven & not the CH?

Doesn't make since but happens all of the time.

And If you breed the same good male to 3 different females & cross pups from that with 3 different males, they are all still related.
Meaning you will still see " YOUR NAME".
It doesn't not have to be your goal to breed a line be it you name & related dogs, but you will develop a line with your name & related dogs the longer you stick with the same dogs.

Be it a yard full of the same stuff or breeding one down from a dog you have proved each generation.
That's just how it works.
The longer you stick with a dog down from a parent or both parents that you owned.

Allot get it confused with just breeding to make it pure no realizing it's going to happen anyway.
I always use mines as example & they see a name not understanding that some dogs are out crosses & continue but still see common name.

Think about it & right it down.
No matter how you breed, you as the breeder will be consistent, generation after generation re-guard less if dogs are related or not.
There's no getting around it unless you never like what you feed & jump to something new altogether each time.

 

USA USA USA USA US...oh wait I'm not American umm well um we invented POUTINE, so ya, in ya face USA

 

Twenty years 10-20 generations???? How serious can you bee about bettering the dogs if your breeding dogs at a year old?

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That is a lot of generations in a 20 year period.

 

Maydays mother was a very linebred animal based off red baby. It is not hard to see why mayday produced so well... Especially when bred back to his mother side of the family. Gr Ch haunch and Ch maymay both coming off mayday being bred to his mothers littermate sister Polly. Napalm also came out of that who produced gr ch yellowman and some other really good producing dogs. Very line bred or family bred dogs. Not really as loosely bred as some make it out to be by throwing out all the famous names in the pedigree "red boy, jocko, boomerang, tombstone, bolio".

 

this was not always the case many a breeder had many a dog in many a place far and near they could use at which helped keep them closely related distance didn't always matter and some old timers made the trips as breedings were very much a thing of study then as well as best to best if possible keeping closely related . Americans,after the dogs became sold by way of media and government involvement starting buying up anything that looked like it was an apbt and what was an apbt back then and yes many an elder sold some but the true downfall the true change for the apbt was after the 60s really sure great dogs still came and still are on their way but what once was as we can all see is not any more not by the name used back then. sure some did not travel cause they could not and made breedings that got toooooooo tight and down went the family but give me a dying family over scatter breed over populated questionable at best apbt of todays by the masses standards any day. Personally ,I get why people cross and why so many think they need too often they should just scrap them all but a cross sounds better less money spent for them.. I get it, I whole heartly hehe disagree with it but i have a different understanding and was raised watching and as someone said in another post learning about the dogs,the family in a whole as well as individual and play the percentages, Give Me family Bred Any day.
And Cull Cull Cull

 

Was not directed to anyone in paticular it was more of Murphys law sate ment what can go wrong well go wrong nothing personal about it

 

I believe if you take two lines that are perhaps getting a little inbred meaning both dam and sire and make the cross consistency and hybrid vigor both well be there I believe the listing of all the great dogs just posted says just that however I have some experience it is not vast enough to be a fount of wisdom my opinion though everyone has one right lol

 

If other breeds of dog breeders had 1 0 % of the know how of gamedog people all breeds would take big jump in quality top of the food chain for sure

 

Yes but if you lose track that paper is j u st that paper you still must look at the individual dogs strong suits and weak suits and have them compliment one another and I'm sure you do just this in your breeding program and more as you seem to be very acute in your attention to detail I'm very impressed with your insights I have certainly learned something by them thank you great post

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