Dogmen Conversations about Man-Biters and Man-Eaters

WTF?!?! You talkin bout the blue collar worker, killers, robbers, outlaws, and relatives of??? There were and are good ppl in the dogs, squares almost... Then there's the rest of the DOGGERS... It is and always was illegal. Even the good guys were breakin the law. Out

 

I thought they were directly related, thanks for correcting me. Regardless they had very similar stories about being assholes and share a couple other striking similarities. And when it comes down to it I'd still cull both. I don't think one mistake means i dont know anything about anything, or that Im not worthy of a response. But if you think that's the best course of action you're probably right.

I was talking about dropping standards to justify poor performance or behavior in general. Im not saying they were crooks or outlaws, or even what they did was wrong. I meant rough cut to mean people back in the day weren't given the luxury of excuses, because that meant suffering consequences. Which made them tough people of high standard and of strong conviction. The ones I know are mostly Christians and veterans, who made this country a power house. They applied gameness to their faith in God, which helped them deal with war.

A bulldog that acts like a wolf is still a cur to me, bulldogs were given behavioral standards (gameness and being friendly to humans) to abide by. A cur doesn't have to be either. Zebo attacked people with malicious intent, but that is not a bulldogs standard. Therefore if I was in charge to give him a label it would be maneating cur. It's hard to play by the rules.If I just called someone you admire weak minded it's beause they failed to honor tradition, and chose to select potentially deadly deviants from the standard.

 

From reading all 9 pages it's easy to see that most have never dealt with a true manbiter themselves and are just passing around 30 year old stories of 3 or 4 of a billion dogs to be born since then. If there was only 3 or 4 manbiters over the last 30 years from those dogs, it's safe to say that those dogs were exceptions not the rule. It also appears that many on here seem more to be trying to make a gamedog a pet more than letting it be a gamedog and be what it was bred to be. If you are doing with competing animals, you want him to be King Kong in his mind all damn day long. Sometimes that comes with a mentality that he will test some but that's between you and where you draw the line. Him biting everybody else besides me don't make him a manbiter in my opinion. Him biting you because you are putting your hand on his bowl or jumping at him challenging him to be aggressive don't make him a manbiter. Him nipping at you to get loose to go do what he's bred to do don't make him a manbiter. Him protecting the chain area you have left him on for 2 years and all he's known don't make him a manbiter.

 

That's right r&r, dogs gonna be a dog. If your looking for a laid back play with the kids all day type dog get a dam golden retriever. And as far as people not withholding standards set, these are pit dogs and the standard is set in the pit. You don't want one so crazy you can't handle but at the same time you can't expect a warrior expected to lay his all out in the pit to be a fuckin kitten the rest of the time. And the kicker is unless you are there and watch it unfold you never exactly why someone was bitten. If you were you'd probably see that most times dogs are provoked or riled up before hand.

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You going into a war, you want your greatest warrior.. If a mofo going to be Achilles, I'm not gone be mad lol.. If you are breeding game dogs with the intention to keep them being true game dogs then that's the 1st standard. Folks only wanted them not be manbiters in essence so they could be handled but they still wanted them to be a bulldog. Sometimes the good ones come with a little edge, and there are some who never so much as run after a squirrel but surely I'm gone test him on his ability to do what he's bred for not if he's a good see & eye dog who walks around the community getting belly rubs lol.

 

I like your post r&r but I would rather have a versatile bulldog thats complete and enjoys a good belly rub from the neighbors,,, and hell if he could be my seeing eye dog I would be in luck...

I am a believer that without a docile bulldog towards people the game would have never evolved to what it is,,,
and being so close to a conditioner in a keep and a handler in the box either subconsiuosly made for better animals this way or some whom actually cared like mr j.p. colby actually bred man eaters out of his line,,, sure it might have toke a horrible accident to prompt his vision,,, But to say he wasnt the best breeder ever is to not understand the breed...

The ones that were wreck looses mr tudor would eat up and didnt mind the exact oppsite as mr colby,,,
this makes for both sides of the bulldog spectrum...

There has to be balance and the overly affectionate bulldog thrives better with that type of person...
You could label this type a petbull owner if it makes you feel better,,, but watch for that bond that made wolves
to mans best friend and the same analogy of the three dog knight,,, is that a knight and his dog the force of three...

The bulldog that wants nothing to do with you should be with the type of person who already has that mentality towards their dogs and merely drops some food and water and rakes up thier spot,,, yet understands how to handle them and keep from getting bit or the dog biting someone else...This type would be of the livestock type...

I believe the better you treat them the better they mature more into what you like,,,
But I do understand that some are set in stone from when they are born,,,
Balance is key...

 

Those 3 or 4 dogs out of a billion were the PRODUCERS of the billion. These MANBITERS are not warriors their Fastlane dogs. I think alot of them are not game. Might be smart, and hardbites and whatever else but i doubt their GAMENESS. IF somthing is unstable person dog what ever dosent make him a geat warrior. Mike tyson won alot of fights the man was ill hes changed his life. Mohammed Ali was a warrior and he was mentally stable.

 

These MANEATERS are the end of our breed cause thats all they use in the courts when they want to bring BSL in. CULL MANEATERS they aint shit no matter how good they are. And a EXCITE BITE aint a MANTEATER.

 

Shit most of the dogs used as examples to pass stuff like that aren't pit dogs

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Was reading a good article about the number of dog bites having risen hugely since the ban on Pit Bulls in the UK. The bottom line is that people are breeding badly bred mastiff crosses to try and replicate the Pit Bull look to get around BSL.

In fact there are more dogs that would be classed as "of pit bull type" in the UK since the ban.

It seems plausible that if you have a yard full of 50-300 dogs then it's reasonable to imagine a couple of them at least would become territorial if not socialised. Plus some dogs are bound to be not wired right in the head when dealing with thousands of dogs.

You could keep a yard full of poodles or labradors and there would be a few man biters at least.

Just started reading that Bullyson book and how much Eli differed in temperament to bullyson even though they were siblings. One was a great house dog that would play with the kids and the other one you couldn't even get close to without the dog going for you.

Made me laugh when Bobby said he was trapped pressed against the fence for 4 hours until his daughter came home and distracted Bullyson and he could make his escape over the fence.

 

WE all in this community know exactly what the deal is here with these dogs the ones with with the weak morals wether they realize it or not are breeding bad dogs(manbiters), raising good dogs on chanis and they turn bad(nothing wrong with chains as long as taken off for execising, play time yadayda), using to make guarddogs(WTF) and the list goes on. Their good at weightpull. hunting, tug or war, and any other hard physical sport. They aint sniffers, trackers,protection, birddog bulshit activity. They might make good companions if you can provide them with their needs if NOT dont get one to sit on the couch with you and your kids.

 

True, very true. The thread was about manbiters in historical terms and the dogs bred from then. Breeding a "man biter" surely doesn't guarantee more man biters same as breeding a game dog doesn't mean that the offspring will produce game dogs.

Mainly backyard breeders in poor neighbourhoods who let their dogs get loose and run around the neighbourhood. Obviously like you said environment, exercise/stimulation plays a part especially when you have a big yard how are you going to exercise every dog?

Is There really any modern day dogmen with huge yards anymore?

The problem is this day and age is with idiots who shouldn't own a dog let alone breed random bull breed mutts and sell to anybody.

It doesn't seem like it's a problem with game dogs but it affects the rights of true APBT owners.

 

Hold up so if a dog was man aggressive and he was bred it wouldnt show up in his offspring or a more likely to show up.

 

For GAMEDOGS i understand theres no gararntes just higher percentages

 

I have no idea but why would it show up if it was due to circumstance or lack of socilisation?

A dog can bit out of being territorial and not be a true man biter, there is a grey area and who knows why they bit someone.

You can have a great guard dog but that doesn't mean it's offspring has the same qualities. Too many external factors to ever know.

 

Why was Eli a great house dog and Bullyson not, the same way one brother can be a chilled out guy and the other a hard headed brute. We will never know.

The current problem isn't game dogs but badly indiscriminately bred mutts owned by fools.

 

If I killed someone does that guarantee my offspring will kill to? They are very few true maneaters out there, I mean one that will attack any given chance for absolutely no reason. I doubt many of them were bred not because of some high standard of breeding principle but because one that does that really doesn't have a value as a pit dog if he does something like that in the box.
I've had friends call me up and say hey if you want so and so come pick then up, Imma bout to shoot them for trying to bite me. On more than one occasion I went and picked up said dog, brought em to my place put on chain spot and never had a problem. What most people never talk about is why a dog bit somebody. People just assume that if a dog bites it's the dogs fault, but it's nearly never the case.

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man biter are dogs that just want to lay mouth . They dont fear nothing. Game couse in his mind he is the baddest sob on earth .

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I truly admire you guys feeling it to make sense of the madness and not blame the animal. Hell we use to burn redheads.and until schizoprehniza was diagnosed we thought those people were possesed. What ever the case might be the person who decides to breed the animal its his call and i hope theres lots of knoweldge because the breed has gone through hell and back if you dont care about what you do you dont care about yourself and environment. I think there is a great deal of misunderstanding and confusion from all sides of this breed but I think America is a mecca of information and animals, The breed is named after America you can trace everything back to those early years when the breed was establised after so long and so many memories you would think everthing with everthing in the breed would be perfect.