Innate Ability

Yes, not that Cornbread. Kasai/Two Eyes is the right Cornbread, who had an even more talented (innate ability) sister, Chloe.


Agreed with the high school football analogy. I have seen a few 2A schools that I thought were better than the two 4A teams that played for their respective titles. Not often. But great analogy.


With the really good schools, where kids/parents move into the district to play for a certain team is a lot like the dogs. The $$$ guy sells his dog to a $$$$$$$ guy and then competes at the highest level. This happens quite a bit in the dogs, just like high school 'sports factories'.


I just personally believe if the $$ dogs and the $$$$$$$ dogs competed on a regular basis the $$ dogs would make surprising numbers.


Now if those $$ went into the truly elite dogs done by the truly elite camps the $$ dogs often would not fair well. The key factor is the elite camp. I guess my original point was just because so and so dogs were done for $$$$$$$$$$ the $$$$$$$ does not dictate or indicate quality.


Example. In a make believe world there was a Mims female that was being done for $$$$. She was plain bit down. If a handle could have been made and the scratching started the Mims bitch wins. The Bolio/Eli female just had way too much mouth. She had the crowd blown away with the mouth. One person in the crowd, not even the owner of the Mims bitch, thought the other bitch was rough, hard mouth cur. She was bought pit side for $$$$$$$$. They went north and set up a play date for $$$$$$$$$$$. She quit in :13. The $$$$$$$$$ had zero impact.


Now Cornbread was sold as a two year old ready to go dog for what a lot of 8 week old pups go. (And I do kick myself in the ass for letting that happen) He was sold same day (brokered) for three times the amount he was sold for (found out sometime later). And in turn ruined three or four of the $$$$$$$$$$ dogs in just a few weeks. In turn all the dogs off Kasai tripled in value to that camp.


In the equation the dogs did not change but the amounts of available money did. Sort of my point.


S

 

Great topic. Like all good topics in spurs conversation. This one got over on to money and quality and away from the original post. I will try to reel mine back in a little.


I would venture to say the dog carries the human more times than not.


I've seen some dogs perform in spite of their counterparts. I have also seen a game bum pick up W's thru superior conditioning or slick handling.


There was a Punch/Rainbow dog named Bo who had pretty decent mouth, average air, zero ability but an excellent work ethic. After eight weeks he could go at a pace most 55'ers could not and he himself could just about breathe underwater. He took to the keep as perfect anything ever. He would trade. He would swap. He would go low on the leg. He would do everything talent and ability would prevent. But he did that at a pace that most could not handle. He picked up two thru sheer pace from excellent conditioning. Other than his work ethic nothing stood out.


In both the W's if the dogs were graded he was not the better dog in any other category, just conditioning, and maybe desire/heart. He just kept going.


Cornbread's sister Chloe was as talented and as much ability as anything I have seen. She had better than average mouth. She would have to work really hard just to get up to zero work ethic. She would do nothing that required energy. First day on the mill she burned it up. Next day she figured out there was no point. Bike riding the same. We would walk away from home and basically drag her back. Hooked her to a pole and put her in the water. She pretty much chose drowning. She was pathetic.


She would not run a mill even if baited. Not even facing off. Really bad.


What she would do is chase an Australian Shephard while on her chain space. Her keep consisted of gathering a five gallon bucket of rocks, putting her on a 14ft. 1/2" log chain, adding a 3lb. weight collar and throwing rocks for the Australian Shephard. Throw one way and then the other. 24-25ft. sprints in both directions. That was the gist of her keep. 6 weeks of rock throwing.


She went north into a well known camp and pulled off a W by way of innate ability. The other dog was way better conditioned. The other was a way better handler. But Chloe's talent and ability over came both her lack of conditioning and the other camp being better prepared. She was as talented as all get out.


It goes both ways. One has to remember the dogs are a team sport. Each having to carry the other at times.


S

 

Same to you. The Wrangler pup is out of this world crazy. At 4 months she is like one muscle. A brick of a female.


I might go back to him with the sister.


Any of the Wrangler/Lexxus males left?


Hit me up.


S

 

Some good reading in this thread. Thanks for sharing with everybody.

 

Tons of them show signs of being aces. Tons of dogs totally dominate and look unbeatable and then that 'one' comes along.


Mims bred Spanky could very well be one of the best I have seen in the box. His drawback was he had some shy tendencies. A car would freak him out. He didn't have much of a work ethic. In his first he was put on a Buck/Bolio 2XW. it was the hot knife thru warm butter scenario. Absolute annihilation. His second was the same over a Deadlift bred male. Then we travelled. The ride freaked him. This was a multiple deal and it looked like the crowd freaked him. The show started ane he was his same ol' self. A complete teardown and the other made as game a scratch as ever. Within a couple of minutes Spanky walked away.


He had a close relative named Charlie that was an ACE in every sense of the word. He turned a 14ft chain set up into a flying jenny for hours on end every day. He was a dump away from great condition at any time. His first he was a replacement dog against Ideal 2XW/3OTC. RIP an hour or so later. His second was a winning RBJ dog out of the Burns family. Checked up in about 50. Third was into a Buck/Redboy dog that was specifically picked and bought to stop Charlie. 55 minutes and it was RIP. The fourth was into a Mayday dog. 45 minutes later it was an easy ride home.


People in that inner circle will tell you that Spanky on his home turf was a better dog in the box. He was an ACE for a year or so. Charlie was an ACE in every facet of competition.


And to throw another wrench Charlie had a littermate brother named Bobby who was better than both but had no teeth at 20 months.


Lots of ACES out there, but only a few finish as ACES.


S