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Jeep v Frisco: who is top ROM?

Discussion in 'APBT Bloodlines' started by The Keep Book, Jul 11, 2019.

  1. AGK

    AGK Super duper pooper scooper Administrator

    Myself, I'd breed to a 1xgl that seen 2+ hours that was simply out dogged over a CH that has never seen past 30 mins.

    Lol I didn't make these titles, just posting how you calculate to gain them.

    Anymore unless you are there to witness the event It's hard to believe why a dog lost game. Sometimes they just meet a better dog. Doesn't necessarily mean the loss was because they were going to quit. Maybe they just meet a better dog that night. Both titles can be manipulated and since there is no longer a reliable governing body to this stuff anymore like the original SDJ then frankly, anything that has made Ch GRCh rom or por is always suspect these days.

    When you made these titles before 05 you got a certificate for it signed by J.K. and the match was reported and could be disputed. Not really that way anymore. Big reason It's very rare for me to leave my own yard for any kind of breeding. Ends up coming down to taking someones word on it and people these days word don't exactly equate to squat anymore. Most, not all.
     
  2. oldguy

    oldguy CH Dog

    100% correct!
     
  3. oldguy

    oldguy CH Dog

    Also 100% correct!
    Well said AGK!


     
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  4. The Keep Book

    The Keep Book Reclusive Misanthrope

    With Broadway Jack gone (RIP), there needs to be at least one body--likely outside of the USA--who can track and publish the stats and award titles. Nowadays that may be hoping for too much.
     
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  5. AGK

    AGK Super duper pooper scooper Administrator

    The SDJ still does but it has lost most of it's credibility after the deep throat dolly incident some years back, among other incidents that were also found to be false.

    If I were active, which I'm not, I still wouldn't report matches. Now a days that is just asking for a knocking at your door, or a kicking in I should say lol.
     
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  6. Holocaust

    Holocaust Match dog

    Far better producers have existed just not pimped/peddled/and bred to oblivion as the 3 mentioned...

    Personally I think the only thing "impressive" about those numbers is that so many ppl lined up to breed to those dogs when they threw more culls than anything...
     
  7. The Keep Book

    The Keep Book Reclusive Misanthrope

    Yeah, that was kind of what I was thinking. Show reporting in the US these days can be fatal.
     
  8. The Keep Book

    The Keep Book Reclusive Misanthrope

    Okay. I give up. None of the dogs' production records is "impressive" because they produced a lot of curs in addition to the good ones. Wrong word, I guess.
     
  9. Holocaust

    Holocaust Match dog


    You can personally find it impressive as can tom dick and harry. The hands up in the air spin around tantrum wasnt needed.... we just arent the same at all.

    The dogs were bred how many times to get how few good dogs? The TOP PRODUCER IMO is the one who puts the MOST good dogs on the ground out of the FEWEST breedings. Any dog bred as much as those 3 should have done the same imo.

    I'm more impressed with a dog cred 4 times with a 75% success rate. That's BY FAR a superior producer...
     
  10. Holocaust

    Holocaust Match dog

    Is bred*
     
  11. AGK

    AGK Super duper pooper scooper Administrator

    I fully agree.
    That was what I was getting at when I posted earlier that "IMO POR is a better showing of performance than
    ROM".
     
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  12. F.W.K.

    F.W.K. CH Dog

    The TOP PRODUCER IMO is the one who puts the MOST good dogs on the ground out of the FEWEST breedings

    100% !!!
     
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  13. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    I have had access to only a few all out true stud dogs. Patrick's Kasai. He should have been bred til the cows come home. He had winners in every litter but one, and that one I believe the dog would have won but I did not have the nuts to ride up and down the road with a slow scratching/make me think dog.

    I wish I had bought, begged or borrowed for a few from every litter.

    Where I live you can step out your door, throw a rock and odds are you will hit a Frisco dog. One of he best I have ever seen was off of Frisco, Ch. Cabballo. But with that said there was a stretch around here where if 1 in 10 made it off Frisco things were looking up. Then things changed. He was putting really good game dogs on the ground at a much higher percentage.
    With Frisco would need another measuring stick such as, "natural", "you took your bitch over there", artificial, and then grade from there.

    The guy that turned me onto the dogs swears jeep died after the Homer match. He had dogs bred just like Jeep from the same yard, same family. After the Homer match the "Jeep" dogs could all of a sudden bite, bite like dammit. So maybe there should be another category for that too, pre-Homer and post -Homer.

    I think the breeding titles just give the warm fuzzies. Even way back when I do not thing they carried all that much weight except for the owner. When an Eli dog made Rom or POR I did not jump the fence off the Red Boy train. And the same goes for the Red Boy dogs. If one made the titles above I did not flock to that strain.

    I was always far more impressed with what I saw that what I read or heard.

    That also rolls into voting for dog of the year. I can't vote between two dogs I never saw, because with that vote I would be giving full validity to something I really know nothing about.

    Our Skull dog won 4. Two he blew thru in less that 40. One of those it was over in 20 but they were hoping against hope he would quit on top. The next two went over two hours.. I'd pick the 2 over two hours because they told me all I would ever need to know. He left nothing unanswered. The first two were wins but nothing was defined because I did not see a lot from the other side.

    Skull was a CH, and deservedly so, but 2 of the 4 did not say CHAMPION out loud, but 2 of the 4 said CHAMPION and I will breed his cod sack off based on the 2, and if something tallied up down the road for another title, ROM/POR, then so be it.

    Since I am not a breeder I would take Skull and his 2 W's over just about any ROM/POR dog I have read about or heard about.

    S
     
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  14. Forever-So REAL

    Forever-So REAL Quintuple Grand Champion

  15. SDOD

    SDOD Pup

    Rom is invented for peddling
    :D
     
  16. oldguy

    oldguy CH Dog

    Skeletons.jpg
     
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  17. oldguy

    oldguy CH Dog

    It really don't matter how your dog is bred.. They're all curs until 'PROVEN' otherwise!
     
  18. Mr.Revolution

    Mr.Revolution CH Dog

    Like I say a dog is a cur from birth until the day it proves it's not. From then on it's a game dog until the day another dog proves its not
     
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  19. Mr.Revolution

    Mr.Revolution CH Dog

    Next question should be how game because contrary to popular opinion game simply means willing to participate/try/perform/play. That's it.
    Depth and difficulty of comp in other words how long how many and who. And the opponents accomplishments will form a picture of how game and good a dog is. Sorry for the ramble. I also think POR is a better indication of producing ability than ROM
     
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