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The great pup price debate.

Discussion in 'Dog Discussion' started by oldguy, Oct 2, 2019.

  1. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    Again, no truer words have been spoken.

    There has to be a certain amount of everything in that package or just about any of the traits are useless. One can supplement the other and one can even hide the other for a bit, but without a little bit of everything you simply have nothing.

    I say that as I am the game dogs biggest fan but I am an even bigger fan of winning and from day one that has been the primary purpose of these dogs. We will get all sappy and call them family members and we will get all nostalgic and talk about their farm/work history and we will get all Patriotic and show their military service. Those are the 'little bits of everything too' but these dogs were bred to not just to compete but to win.

    When winning is the goal, and all that it entails to get to 'winning', (back to the original topic) it is hard (again, for me) it is hard to pay a shit load of money for a puppy. The times and the crowd have dictated if I want XXX dog from YYY family from ZZZ breeder I will pay what they want, the going rate, fair market value (choose the phrase as you like).

    I came from an isolated, rural area where the dogs were the means to an end. The winning bulldog was held in no higher regard than a beagle that could jump and run, or a coon hound that could do the same. Ol' Spot has one job and if he can't do that one job I can't afford to feed him. Understanding that window of opportunity was constantly closing and the avenue for success was very narrow the price it took to get started was held in check.

    As I have gotten older I can see that as a lot of backward ass thinking but that was how it was and it imprinted a lot. I have had dogs that I liked/loved more than a lot of people I know, hell, family included. But I learned a hard lesson early on, "You can love your working dogs, but you can't be in love with your working dogs". Slight play on words, but the point the same.

    Some families and some breeders have created a wider avenue and their window closes slower, and for that I can see why their prices can go up over time. I just can't correlate the price with the avenue nor the window. It is a persona disconnect.

    Once upon a long time ago you could call a guy's mom a whore, his son a fag, you could belittle his livelihood, you could call him just about anything...and nothing hurt more than to say, "he's just selling puppies". It was the worst thing you could say about a guy in the bulldogs.

    But then there can never be a seller without a buyer.....so the circle continues.

    S



     
  2. AGK

    AGK Super duper pooper scooper Administrator

    I got to say I agree slim, this thread has hit 7 pages of good conversation that has stayed extremely civil. My only gipe is that we don't have more members who participate. It's basically just us 10 or so folks keeping this site going. That's a big bummer. Going to get worse if we make this a private site which is a strong possibility real soon.. I kind of wish FB never was created. Lol we didn't have this problem when it was just MySpace. :))
     
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  3. GK1

    GK1 Big Dog

    1.5-2k for the right dog is not out line for me. Kennel open for viewing to determine cleanliness and general care for dogs (see AGK’s many detailed pictures for reference). Pedigrees, ADBA registration papers on hand. Both pup’s parents available for close observation, behavior around people etc. Spend a couple hours with the pups to observe. Personality test each pup separately. 1st set of vaccination, worming, micro chip. Plus 1 year health warranty pup is free from genetic defects.

    Believe it or not, this criteria is common practice with many breeders and their prospective customers.

    2 grand is a shake of piss on a rock - even for the united labor party - considering how much a fucked up dog would later cost in vet bills…not to mention the heartburn of purchasing a dud of a dog you let the breeder you do not personally know pick for you sight unseen. JMO..
     
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  4. old goat

    old goat CH Dog

    LOL these people wanting papers is so funny to me . I know how my dogs are bred so why do I need someone to tell me ? I bet my studs anyone would love to breed to . But I don't register and won't register .
     
  5. XLR8

    XLR8 Big Dog

    "you keep all the pups!" DEAD :))
     
  6. GK1

    GK1 Big Dog

    We are fortunate in the US for no registration restrictions. Dogs in parts of Europe not only have to be registered to be bred, but have to be health surveyed, tested and titled by third party organizations before breeding. Also fortunate here for free market, market value pricing and price negotiability. otherwise it's just stinking communism.
     
  7. treezpitz

    treezpitz CH Dog Staff Member


    I would be a terrible breeder. Nobody is coming to my yard, nobody is getting close ups of anything except the pup. But then I'm not in the business of selling dogs so that's not an issue lol.

    Maybe that's how most people think, I dunno, but knowing the kind of world it is today... I wouldn't have anybody to my place for ANY amount of money for a pup. And I wouldn't think twice if I bought a pup from somebody I don't know and they met me as a gas station in town. Maybe they'll take me back to their yard if they feel good about me. Maybe not. And I would completely understand. Because I'm the same way lol. And this is almost 2020... these dogs shouldn't be seen by "everybody". That's how problem arise. Even if they're given the best care and in perfect shape.
     
  8. XLR8

    XLR8 Big Dog

    I think we can all relate to this and it's so nice to hear this coming from someone else, just to know that there are other like minded people out there who have a passion for these dogs and this way of life. AGK you sound like the JC of the game dog world lol. You should should start a church or something :D
     
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  9. treezpitz

    treezpitz CH Dog Staff Member

    It's a double edged sword for me, man. I like good convo so more people is great... but I hate the public forum. Google search pulls up convos that could get taken out of context and shit like that. I like the convo better on the private forums personally but agree about the number of people dropping. Quality over quantity is always my belief but I'm not running the site lol.
     
  10. XLR8

    XLR8 Big Dog

    yup! "Lose lips sink ships"
     
  11. stickler

    stickler Banned

    Not 'always', but the time for a cross may come at one time or another. But first I would need something to cross with. lol
    Inbreeding and tight line breeding can be an art sometimes. lol
    Well, I would give it a try. If it does not work ... shame on me !
    And if this works then probably not because of me in the first place. ;)
    The family of dogs I like is not main stream. So, who knows ? lol
     
  12. XLR8

    XLR8 Big Dog

    So what exactly happened? Everyone left for FB?
     
  13. AGK

    AGK Super duper pooper scooper Administrator


    Very few people have been to my place. It's more likely it would be at my parents house since it's right off the main highway here or some lot somewhere. I don't do looksies. Lol. I dont trust people at all. I prefer, unless I actually know you for you to just send a transport, preferably Midwest or Bullskull as I've known them for years. Otherwise, it aint happening. Lol
     
  14. GK1

    GK1 Big Dog

    Maybe I was out of line, unrealistic... I guess a quality bred working pup can be found for $400-600 USD with some research, good timing and a little luck.
     
  15. stickler

    stickler Banned

    I get the feeling (very very slowly) that you got a completely wrong pic of me in your head.
    Yes, I probably know something ...
    Well, I do not believe gameness is a trait. Not with the dogs I like. lol That's pure DNA. What else ? You keep breeding for traits and I'll take the dna route.
    Gameness is easy to keep if you know how. But first you need to get it. It also sounds like it is me against the rest. That's most probably not the case.
    The trouble with gameness is just that it is so easy to lose it again. Crossing to the wrong dog/family, using the wrong dogs, bad judgement, bad selection, listening to other people's opinion ...
    A lot of people don't have game dogs just because they do not deserve them. lol
    Did I ever say I don't like mouth or ability on a dog ? Mouth is the easiest thing to put on a dog or an entire family of dogs imo.
    The complete dog is always 'one' goal, but I do not need to add anything, I got the full package already.
    I do not believe that I set a lower standard on dogs as you do, it's probably the complete opposite B-)
    Do you need to see a video ? lol

    It's pretty much like the 'bred or made' Fred again. Guys, it's both.
     
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  16. stickler

    stickler Banned

    Well, sorry, but who cares ? Our dogs just don't fit into this category. Tested and titled by third party organizations ... \m/:))
     
  17. GK1

    GK1 Big Dog

    From your mouth to God’s ears stickler. 300$ USD may be a possibility.
     
  18. GK1

    GK1 Big Dog

    Lol transaction at the 7-11 parking lot too. Just don’t screw me or I’ll eat your firstborn.
     
  19. bamaman

    bamaman GRCH Dog

    Speaking of pups .Just heard my dogs going off and time I got out there my boy Clyde had just tied with someones black lab lol.Id hate to be the owner of those pups .Had a collar on and looked healthy .I waites till they were done before I shewed her off lol.She had to come through a pine thicket to get to me and a dam cow pasture before the thicket.Oh well.Who wants first pick ? 1000 for 1st lol
     
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  20. treezpitz

    treezpitz CH Dog Staff Member

    Believe it or not a lot of people have lives outside of the www. , my friend. I rarely have time to get on anymore. I'm sure that's the same with others too.
     
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