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Your opinions on BANDOGS?

Discussion in 'Dog Discussion' started by KingOfHearts, Sep 3, 2020.

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Bandogs?

  1. The real deal!

    6 vote(s)
    37.5%
  2. Absolute trash!

    4 vote(s)
    25.0%
  3. Don't know, don't care!

    6 vote(s)
    37.5%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. Hazko

    Hazko Big Dog

    I’ve always thought AB X Fila, would make a great bandog
     
  2. The modern day alunt(not alano)is a mutt.
    the alunt was a tribe from around the time of the birth of christ.they specilized in tough fast horses and fighting dogs.they supplied the Roman leagon and many other armys the world over with both.
    all broad headed catch dogs trace there original heritige to the dogs the alunt tribes distributed through out the world.
    the mountain dogs have a complete separte heritige.but have always had catch dog blood added down the ages.
    the two breeds orignated along diffrent roots the led like path ways through the world.

    They are not the same breed of dog but have always crossed nice.
    the nearest thing to the real alunt in blood and genral type in this day and age is the pure bred APBT.
     
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  3. david63

    david63 CH Dog

    Nice Story Soze.
     
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  4. Granted a good neo x apbt can produce outstanding dogs euro but finding one is hard enough never mind finding stock that's not only structurally sound aswell as doesn't have hidden health issues and can reproduce similar and comes from dogs on par with it's self instead of just being the exception to the rule. I reckon theirs more working presa when it comes to bite work than any other bull breed. AB's seem to have went down in popularity in that department and in hog work....been over bred like fuck here in the uk like staffys. Most corso are reckoned to have had BM and boxer added soze but you'll see the odd few that look good like the turco dog used in game of thrones that many assumed was a presa. Most historians see the corso, neo and cani de presa as the same type just different regional names before the kc got involved with them all.i think the reason neos were so popular as an option as up until the last decade or so if you wanted a big bull breed in the majority of the western world their was really only a few options.Neo, Bm, Em, Ddb and great dane (presa, corso, bully kutta, boerboel etc etc among others weren't as well known or available) and I think many tried copying Swinfords recipe not realising the bantu dog was Em x Apbt as it was the original bantu who was the neo x apbt got killed in an accident.the ozzies and kiwis have proved you can polish a turd somewhat using average kc bred dogs and making crosses better than their foundation stock/breeds but just like the bandog breeders I'm sure they'd take proven stock over it if it was a viable option to avoid as much litter wastage as possible . That's why presa and good AB are used in the foundation a lot more in modern programs than other breeds and types....sheer availability. You'll find lots of shit among them all tbh but obviously some breeds have a higher amount of working stock to sift through as opposed to just being bred for looks.
     
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  5. The sarabi is a lgd type from Iran where the Alan's came from that's very mastiff like, theirs a few varietys as Iranians will call any lgd a sarabi just like the turks call almost all their lgds kangal as a sales pitch. But the main type is a huge short coated variety, usually fawn or similar color with black mask. Allthough on occasion I've seen black ones with a dash of white. Usually massive with good structure and movement
     
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  6. Sarabi dog
     

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  7. Not exactly the same type but similar
     

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  8. Euro

    Euro Big Dog

    you dont breed bandog for the sake of fighting, not only is it illegal but you would end up with a man aggressive dog that is bound to bite the shit out of someone.
    presa is quite a bit unathletic these days, they have gotten too big, 160 pound dogs with poor cardio and agility, thats why you mix in a working bulldog.
    you need a dog with some serious size and power behind it + working drive, a higher bulldog percentage bandog is preferable for working. Most good bandogs you see arent direct descendants of pit x mastiff, but down the line of multiple generations of bandogs being bred with each other -/+ adding of additional bulldog blood down the line.

    Too much mastiff and you end up with a couch potato
     
  9. I never mentioned matching bandogs so I don't really understand what your getting at with that.
    Too much gamedog and you could end up with something heavy DA which isn't necessarily okay by every owner either depending on their exact requirements .
    A lot of presa are shite like I pointed out so I agree on that, plenty are higher at the back end, too wide at the front among other structural issues but I see a good few on Instagram that must be around 120 . I think the issue is a lot of bandog kennels only do protection work so the dogs don't have to be shaped to pursue and work game which seems to weed out shit structure quicker due to cull ratios especially if the dogs are expected to cover ground.
    Ive followed enough bandog programs over the years to realise their kennels aren't full of f1 crosses but usually multi generational dogs with additional parent breeds added here and there.
    Apbt seems to fix most structures pretty quickly when added to other breeds even though theirs a lot of physical differences between bloodlines because a lot of gamedogs seem to have good structure.
     
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  10. Euro

    Euro Big Dog

    point, koreans and japanese fixed tosa as a dog by adding APBT and all kinds of other working bulldogs over few decades

    thats why you have massive distinction between show tosa-more mastiff
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    fighting type
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    good dogs come from multi-generational breeding. of course there are a lot of crappy mixes
     
  11. 3 heavy weights of varying types
     

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  12. Euro

    Euro Big Dog

    i prefer middle weights. 110-120 lbs. but even heavyweights are worlds apart from show tosas
    tho, i have heard that sometimes the winner is allowed to eat the looser in ritualistic display, only truly yikes part of tosa business
     
  13. Box Bulldog

    Box Bulldog Top Dog

    Question, My new neighbor across the alley has a American staff x Presa cross would this dog be a considered a bandog? He is a big dog I would say around 120lbs. Don't know much about him other than having the loudest bark I have heard in my life. My neighbor across the street has a blue bully thats 107lbs he has long legs and muzzle and a lean strong build. I know blue dogs get a lot of hate but the one across the street could do any task that a bandog could do and that's a fact. He is smart, A good guard dog and moves well. That big blue dog saved my ass from getting chewed up by a huge free roaming mutt, I yelled at that big mutt that was running loose in front of my house to go home and the bastard showed his teeth and growled at me and started coming at me and I was back peddling back up my steps, The blue dog from across the street saw and heard this (dog knows me well) jumped his little 4' chain link fence and came to my rescue, he gave the mutt a few good ones and then he took off. So what I am trying to understand is why hate on blue dogs but love bandogs? A lot of people would change there mind on blue dogs if they where in my shoes that day.
     
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  14. Euro

    Euro Big Dog

    presa is a bulldog and staff is bulldog x terrier, i think it would count since its a cross of large mastiff like dog and a smaller, more athletic bulldog.
     
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  15. I seen one recently at 50kg open to the world for $500k,looking at his head I'd reckon he had a good dosage of apbt in his blood.
     
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  16. I will be having a bandogge litter
     
  17. wicked13

    wicked13 CH Dog

    I don't care for either one I'm sure there could be uses for them . But I could also find a specific breed for each task I'm looking at
     
  18. I had a half Rottweiler/half game dog. He was a great dog but took a lot of work and dedication to get him to where I wanted and to be great with people and halfway civil to other dogs.
    He was protective and would bite if someone broke into the house, he would also not back down if a dog wanted to scrap. It was a lot of work.

    It was like I had a protective Rottweiler that was more dog aggressive the your typical Rottweiler. It was also like having a pitbull that was also people aggressive when my typical pitbulls were people friendly.
    If I wanted something kind of similar I’d probably choose something like an American bulldog

    now I have my Rottweilers for home protection in case someone breaks in. I have my game dogs in case a a coyote or fox tries to attack my family or dogs. My Rottweilers can easily handle a coyote or fox but my game dogs won’t run out of gas as fast

    best of both worlds for me now
     
  19. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    If you catch the coyote in your fenced in yard the pit bull dog can be an option.

    I know a guy who thought it was a great idea to release his dog after a coyote. The coyote thinks the chase is a game which is the reason they are put in so many fox pens. They run, then stop and wait for the dogs and then run again.

    In the wild they will slow down, wait for your pit bull and when your dog starts to engage he has several 'friends' there to help him.

    He found his dog half eaten a couple hours later.

    The stories of a pit bull killing three-four-five coyotes is one of the 'stretchers' in the dogs, almost as accurate as the locking jaws.

    Be careful.

    S
     
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  20. Most definitely. The coyotes seem to send out one, something chases it and then the rest of the coyotes are waiting to pounce.
     

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