Is this normal

Ok this may be a crazy question but I am curious. I found this site where they have a double sired litter. Sounds a bit hinky to me. Is this something that is practiced a lot?

http://coldbluekennel.tripod.com/id6.html

 

Why would you even be looking at a site like this?

 

It's been done before, I don't know how often though. Most registries frown on it. It's a way to do two breedings without well. . . Doing two breedings. I believe DNA profiling is used to determine which male sired which puppy.

 

Well I hope not

 

they sure shouldnt be doing it alot the litter should have only 1 sire and 1 dam no more no less,lol

 

sounds like some freaky dog porn crap to me!!

 

can you say BACK YARD BREEDER??? freakin pieces of shit!

 

I just came across the site while looking at different kennels. I was bored and its something to do lol Anyway, I figured I would ask because I know I sure wouldn't want a pup from that. Well, from that kennel period but from a dual sired litter as well. I was just curious if that was common practice and I missed that somewhere. I am very happy to hear it is not. Thanks for the info

 

byb is to good of a name for him

 

his email is cloudybrain ******** i mean come on that just says it all to me. Sounds like he had his males loose and both of those ugly mutts got to his female so he called it a double sired litter.

BACK YARD A BREEDEN is how i spend my days.
Back yard a breeden is how i earn my pay
back yard a breeden allllll the long day
back yard a brreeeeddden blues currs and straaaaaayyyyyyyys!
sing it in F sharp lmao.

 

I'm diggin that song SEAL

As for the original question "is this normal" I have only heard of it happening a handful of times, and coincidently all cases were of big bluffs who were overbred, and overpriced. Seems breeding them every heat, and waiting 6 months isnt enough...now they resort to breeding them two to males at once and dna'ing the pups so they dont have to wait. Ridiculous if you ask me. If the breeding is worth doing, its worth waiting a year for a skipped heat and having a full litter from one sire along with a now healthy mom.

 

Im not going to say I agree or I disagree with dual sired litters. But I will give you the facts on it. Dual siring of litters is not a trait of "backyard breeders ". If a person owns a good producing bitch and the 2 studs that they are deciding between are both old dogs and may not be producing in 6months-1year(next heat cycle). They can take the bitch to both and hope they get a pup from each stud. And yes it can happen. The ADBA will reconize a dual sired litter as long as both studs and the bitch are DNA profiled and the breeder runs a DNA comparision on the litter and puts them on file. That way they can know who sired which pup. I have personally seen it done they way I just described. The person got 2 pups from one stud and 1 pup from the other. It is VERY costly to determine the sire of each pup. BUT IT CAN BE DONE. I wonder if the link posted wasnt from a blue breeder what everyones response would of been...lol

 

If I were to play devil's advocate, I'd say it could be a way to get two different breedings without taxing the bitch with two litters.

But in reality it just seems stupid to me. You'd have to DNA each of those pups to know for sure who sired them. I'm a bit surprised the registries even allow it, but it would probably be tough for them to catch it unless they really pay attention to the timelines or the breeder is overburdened with ethics. (Certainly doesn't apply to that breeder though.)

 

Heard about a litter with 3 sires....damn what a bitch!....lol

 

I cant believe they breed those mutts. You should read their home page. Excellent conformation.....LOL. As for double sires, MY dumb ass had a female in heat that was hit by 2 of my males and birthed the pups. It was a yard accident that I learned from quick. I decided that i would just not register the litter, and had all of them neutered. I gave that litter away. I would have gone through with it, but one of my males that got to her was not provin and i didnt have any plans to bring him to that point. I would have just aborted them but, I didnt find out till the last second. My wife told me after I realized that half the litter came out looking like Seizan. What a pain that was.

 

mutts are mutts..no matter how you breed them.

 

Tabdogs my opinion would of been the exact same had it been gamedogs instead of bluffs being bred in this way IMO if a breeding is worth doing, it is worth getting a full litter out of the sire and dam to access how the breeding dogs, so you have that information for later. Having a litter with two diffrent sires (we will say its an even 8 pup litter with 4 from each parent for the sake of arguement) than instead of being allowed to see 8 pups from sire1/dam1 you only get to see 4 pups from sire1/dam1 and 4 pups from sire2/dam1. This cuts your chances of getting good dogs in half more than likely, unless breeding for something other than gameness. For example, a show dog breeder only needs that one good dog to be famous...you can breed the two studs to one bitch to cut down on the time you have to wait for that dog, and out of your 4 pups from each sire you would hopefully get two diffrent , standard-fitting champions. This will tell you how each dog produces with that given bitch...without sacraficing much. With gamedogs, I would rather take my chances on 8 dogs turning out from sire1 and 8 dogs from sire2 later on...than gamble on 4 from each dog at once. This is of course just my opinion, take it as you will.

 

Tab has a point. These dogs are walking defects, both sires might not be around in another 6 months ('Cause god knows they won't wait a year).

 

I wouldn't be surprised if some of these fools think that they are somehow combining genetic material from both sires in each fertilized egg.

 

Actually, according to what Straton wrote in The American Pit Bull Terrier, and, also what's written in, The Art of Breeding Better Dogs, and, Genetics, and Coat Color, and many other books on genetics, a double breeding can be a good thing; if you breed the best, to the best.
In cases like that, there have been instances of 50 generations of inbreeding, without any filial degeneration.

It is possible to inbreed good hips into your dogs.
It's possible to inbreed healthier dogs.
Because, you can make an undesirable gene so recessive with SELECTIVE inbreeding, it hardly ever shows up in the offspring.
Unless you breed with a dog, which has not had the same gene bred/inbred out of them.
It's even possible to inbreed two different lines out of one set of parents, without filial degeneration, and get hybrid vigor, when you cross the lines back together, after many generations.
Wolf packs, are inbred.
Many of the breeds of dogs, which we have registered with the AKC, and the UKC, right now, would not exist without inbreeding.
If you look far enough back, on pedigrees the dogs on this page, which have the best conformation, you will see inbreeding.

But, the only reason for inbreeding, is that you are breeding the best, to the best.
People who compromise on the quality of the stud, or the bitch will always see the results in the pups, for generations.
If put two dogs with defects together, it will give you defects in the puppies; especially if they're inbred.

It doesn't matter if you are outcrossing, inbreeding, or linebreeding, if you are doing it for money, and not to improve the breed... you will have inferior dogs.