3 different types of staffords

Old report of imported Charles lloyd's PILOT......a good staff as any



Lloyd's four hundred dollars ($400), there being an allowance of one hundred
dollars ($100) for Lloyd's expenses to and from Pittsburg, Ky.' thus Louis
Kreiger wagers one thousand($1,000) to Charles Lloyd's nine hundred
dollars ($900).
The said Charles Lloyd and the said Louis Krieger do hereby agree that
should the authorities in any way interfere or try to stop or prevent the
said battle, that the referee shall have full power to name the next time
and place of fighting. It is also agreed that the referee shall insist on
the dogs being again weighed, and the said weighing shall be within thirty
minutes before the time named by the referee for the fight to be decided.
Should there be any after interference the dogs shall again be weighed day
after day, and neither will be allowed to exceed 28 pounds in weight.
It is further agreed that the handlers shall each taste the other's dog and
sponge them with wet sponge. The sponge used shall then be squeezed into
each other's dog's mouth in order to prove there is no poison or pernicious
drugs placed on them. After the dogs have been tasted neither of the sponges
must be changed.
In pursuance of this agreement the said Charles Lloyd and the said Louis
Kreiger do hereby agree to comply with the rules embodied in this agreement
or forfeit the money now deposited with the stakeholder. It is also agreed
that the battle shall be fought according tot he Police Gazette's revised
rules of dog-fighting.
MANY COME TO WATCH THE DOG-FIGHT Five a.m. on the morning of the contest, the roads leading to the
battle-ground were crowded with vehicles of every description. Kreiger had
Crib in a buggy, and Pilot was conveyed in a closed carriage. At 6:30 the
party arrived at Garr's farm, six miles from Louisville, Six miles out of
this pike was a rough-looking old barn, which the writer tells us "was as
illy fitted up for a dog-fight as it would have been for a high-toned
wedding." A pit thirteen by sixteen feet was erected in one end of the barn,
and in this dilapidated old building the crowd was quickly wedged. Harding,
the referee, however, was not satisfied with the conditions of the building
interior, and every one was forced to outside while the barn was cleaned up.
Whether it would have then been fit for a "high-toned wedding" is not known,
but Mr. Harding finally adjudged it suitable for the dog-fight. Before the
would-be spectators were allowed to return "Cockney Charley,' who didn't
propose to lose a cent," said that everybody would have to pay a dollar to
get in and see the fight. Some did, but not a few climbed in through holes
in the sides of the building.
It was around 7:15 when the dogs were weighed in. Pilot scaled twenty-seven
and three-quarters pounds, being one-quarter of a pound heavier than Crib.
Betting was "pretty lively even up" as the referee tossed up a silver, or
what the report describes as a trade dollar, for choice of corners and
washing. Kreiger won the toss and decided Pilot should be washed first. In
Garr's farmhouse everything was ready for the washing. In the kitchen, in
which were Mrs. Garr's two daughters and a baby, the washing was done in the
presence of the referee. Pilot was placed in a tub of warm water and washed
thoroughly, he was then washed in warm milk, and Kreiger tasted him to see
if there had been any red pepper placed upon him. Pilot was then dried with
towels which had been examined by the referee and thenput in blankets.
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Crib was then "put through the same course of sprouts." And now the dogs
were brought to the pit, which, we are given to understand, was surrounded
by some of the most important men of Louisville.
CROWD EXCITEMENT AND THE FIGHT BEGINS Intense excitement prevailed when the dogs were placed in the pit. Chief of
the Louisville Fire Department Hughes announced the desire of the referee
that both handlers be searched. The handlers searched each other's clothes
thoroughly, being solicitous that nothing was concealed that might cause
injury to the opposing dog. When this ceremony was gone through with, the
word was given at 9:20 to let go the dogs. Their blankets and muzzles were
speedily removed and the dogs set at liberty. But let Mr. Harding tell the
story in the words he reported in the paper of which he was the sports
editor:
Both uttered low growls, and then, with one savage bound, Crib sprang to
Pilot's corner and attacked his antagonist. He caught Pilot by the nose, but
the brindle dog shook him off and grasped him by the right leg. Pilot
loosened his hold upon Crib's leg to get a better one upon his throat. Crib
succeeded in freeing himself, and once more caught Pilot by the nose, only
to loosen it almost instantly and seize Pilot by the back of the neck and
ear, throwing him down. While down Pilot got Crib by the breast and had a
terrible hold, but being unable to retain his hold to any good advantage,
let go and grasped Crib by the left ear. Then in turn Pilot loosened the
ear-hold and got Crib's left front leg between his molars. As he pressed his
jaws together the bones in Crib's leg fairly cracked. This terrible
punishment seemed only to enrage the Louisville dog the more, for with one
great effort he threw Pilot five times in succession with the ear hold. Crib
again seized Pilot by the nose, which, by the way, seemed to be his favorite
hold, and once more downed the New York dog. As quick as a flash he let go
Pilot's nose and went to chewing Pilot's front leg. With the fighting that
Crib was now doing the Louisville people thought him a sure winner of the
fight.
But it now came Pilot's turn to do some fighting, and the manner in which he
viciously chewed Crib's left leg was terrible to behold. Crib, with a growl,
broke loose only to be caught again in the same way. With another effort
Crib once more gained his freedom, and for fully five minutes the dogs
fought with ear-holds, until finally Pilot downed Crib and while holding him
by the ear, bumped his head on the floor of the pit. Crib secured a hold on
Pilot's throat, and although only fighting on three legs, succeeded in
throwing his antagonist. This seemed to incense Pilot, for he threw Crib
with a throat-hold and again with a hind-leg-hold. Crib returned with a
leg-hold on Pilot, and then a bet of $100 was made that Crib would win the
fight. The bet was promptly taken by "Cockney Charley," the owner of Pilot.
CRIB IS DOWN, PILOTTHE CONQUEROR The fight had now lasted forty-two minutes. Crib succeeded in getting from
under his adversary, but the poor critter's gameness was gone. He turned to
the side of the pit and was in the act of leaping out when he was grabbed by
the brindle dog and dragged back into the field of battle. Crib was a
whipped dog at this moment, but Pilot, not content with the victory already
achieved, determined to kill his antagonist while the opportunity of so
doing was at his command. Crib once more turned to the side of the pit, and
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this time succeeded in getting outside, followed by Pilot, who seized the
Louisville pet by the under jaw and, clinging on to him, refused to loosen
his hold, necessitating the picking up of the dogs together and placing them
again in the pit. Pilot threw Crib in the corner with an ear-hold and held
him there. Kreiger fanned Crib vigorously with his hat, but did the dog no
good, for he was fast failing. From this time on Pilot did nothing but
endeavor to shake the little life out of Crib that still remained.
The fight lasted exactly one hour and twenty-five minutes. Just as the winning party reached the depot to make their departure for New York, up dashed Kreiger and said to "Cockney Charley" Lloyd:
"I told you I would stand treat if I lost, and I'm here to keep my word."
And he kept his word. No getting away from it, the Louisville gentleman was
a thorough sport. He amply proved this when he permitted his nearly dead dog to be dragged back into the pit by the conquering Pilot. Sins of New York
As "Exposed" by the Police Gazette
By Edward Van Every
Publisher:Frederick A. Stokes Company--New York
Copyright: 19303 PrintingsOctober 15, October 23 and October 30.
Prepared and Transcribed Exclusively for the Brooklyn Pages, by Miriam Medina

 

Im not against stubby shoet legged dogs as long as the are PROVEN......

 

Hi 12G,
sorry for the late reply but work,wife,life etc etc.
Anyways (and its nice to have a decent debate with out the usual antics) thats the point iv have been trying to make,i spent many a day out with 2 of the staffords mentioned,they were not well up on the leg,they were well balanced and could of quite easily been seen at a dog show and would not of looked out of place,the were typical staffords and could be reconised as such,some folk seem,and im not implying yourself either,the bigger the better,long legs make an old time/tyme dog and balance goes out the thought the plan,they mock photo's of certain staffords but theres no person on the planet who can tell a dogs mentality of a dog from a photo.
regards

 

just seen this sorry 12G,and i think we are reading from the same hymm sheet but due to my ability not to put it down in writing/typing correctly it came across incorrectly
Regards

 

Jonnim,
Hey nice replys...I know they were at 12 but id like to add my two cents
I personaly am not trying judge a dog based on a photo or their stature, but themore the type.
You know as well as anyone that the KC and itss breedersstrive to over exadorate their standards at any cost including function.By describing show stock as stumpy is an adjective.There can and have been dogs short in stature that are proven workers but I feel one is looking for a needle in a heystack trying to find a worker in current sho lines.

 

jonnim in your right mind, do you think those two last staffords posted need to be given the opportunity to do anything in order to tell they are good for nothing? i'm not nostradamus but it doesnt take a rocket scientist to be realistic about obvious things, even from just looking at pics.
i have desire to do many things in life, can i get them accomplished? even if i tried the hardest, i know i wont

do you think this guy's hard work would pay off one day and he'll play for the nba or dunk the ball one day? i tell you if you watch him playing; he thinks he's michael jordan lol

 

just because a stafford is KC regd it doesn"t automatically mean that it is (a) a show bench slob (b)that it is shit.
as for the leg debate , dogs of 17in are normal where i come from. a tall one would be 18+in. depending on bone structure and body type.

 

Jacko all my pooches are KC registered as well, none are unbalanced, all work/ancestors worked, got only 16 1/2 inch female, the rest are over, that's not what i am discussing here, well at least i am talking about disproportionate dogs. i guess am missing something here, can anyone explain to me how
45+lbs 14-16 dog can function? assuming he's 5 lbs overweight? does anyone expect this dog to work for long periods of time? can anyone be kind to show me one or three working hard?

 

my post was not really aimed at you mate. it was just bugging me this whole KC= shit thing. lol
as for size you are correct.dogs of around 17in and 40ish lbs can be great. although we don"t get many pigmey bullfrog things around here some monsters do crop up 17-18in and 60lbs impressive to look at but i don"t know if they could last or take what they could give out. well balanced dogs all the way for me.

 

Hello jacko,
Sorry if my Kc comments made the wrong impression. Its not the registry I'm refering to but the show scean dogs and most of its breeders breeders I know first hand that good dogs can out o kc mine are akc reg out o kc stock.the show scean over here in akc is producing the same bad results no offence was ever intended to a spacific registry.

 

Hey I said no posting pics of me and team playn ball!

 

K i have been defending worthy kc dogs for a while, not the registry because i could care less about it, but functional dogs under that entity. those 17-18 inch 60lb dogs are just as bad as the shorter ones weighing more than their body can hadle. besides height, one mustn't forget the maxillofacial structure and chest cavity, back lenght, etc.. when selecting a good dog with desire to work. i have seen dogs lacking on those departments fell miserably in 70-80 degree weather in 15 minutes of just trotting around. in 90+ degrees those same dogs didnt even want to get out of the truck. they were supposed to be earning their keep. i like hard working phisycally and mentally staffords that's it

 

but you told me it was ok this time

 

hey dont i look good with my cousin's adidas?

 

The kc none kc debate always makes me laugh,

I bet most of you kc show staffy bashers have never been to any shows or had any first hand experience of a so called shitty show stafford.

LOL...

 

well i like to be as fair and factual as possible and i have been to different kc shows in europe and in america and all i can tell you that they have left a bad test in my mouth. one i cant forget was in wolverhampton england where there was this particular stafford with a curly tail that apparently had placed in other shows. the owner was very proud of his "stafford".

in 1996 i had a stafford off english show ancestry from a kennel in texas. later in 1997 and 1999 i got two more from a kennel in florida and in boston and so did my cousin. in short , pieces of shit, good for nothing.
with the years i've seen many showline staffords attempting to work, but they dont want or they cant.

i'm afraid you still dont grasp the idea of what a good stafford must be and act like herodog

 

Yes we have or we woulldnt be posting!

 

Sorry hero some of us post bout real world experience .I will say you are correct I have never been to a KC show but I know peope that have.I on the other hand have been th plenty of akc shows and am embarrassed by what passes for a stafford there,stumpy legged short muzzled can't breeth outcrossed pos's
Reguards!

 

Never been to a show, BUT I've seen so called staffs that are either said to be show quality or have come from show winners and seems as I saved myself a trip to a crowd of people with poor idea's of what a staffords is!

 

Hi guys,Great topic and replies and opinions.
Just a few pics of my KC Stafford Archie,He is fit as hell and give 101% in everything i put in front of him.
15.5Inc tts and approx 19kg,just started getting him back into his best condition after winter,still a while to go i know

Tracie