AB gameness??

I think there is a lot more to a dog being "game" than just going back when hurt. That's all i'm saying.

To me, gameness is the mindset of the dog. This is the dog who know's in it;s mind it has won the fight before the fight, the dog who can look at a dog ten times it's size and not feel an ounce of fear, the dog that doesn't bark or whimper or growl when confronted (to me that just shows nerves)...

 

Why is everybody talking about what is gameness, what is not, a bulldog can hang on to a boar with its guts hanging out..
Why isnt anybody saying something about what triggers gameness? Real fighting dogs do NOT fight in high prey drive.. They fight to fight and kill, not to catch a prey and stay there.. Isnt this a significant differense?

I belive a dog in HIGH drive doing a task they are bred for, they loose the ability to feel as much pain in that intense drive. Has this something to do with gameness..? I wouldnt think so..but please enlighten me

Of course there is AB's that actually are game, but the majority is not.

Linn, www.bingenbulldogs.com

 

GAMENESS can meen many things to many people,and their are many stories of aces who when on a down dog would simply stop and wait till the other dog showed signs of fight before continuing , they may have lacked the desire to kill but their gameness was proven. speculation is one thing evidence is another.gameness is always proven !!

 

But according to that guy, then only the dog getting mashed up would be game if it got back up... so to that comment, then yes AB's would be "game" if that's all gameness was.

There's more to a dog being game than that and i thought it was a bit silly loads of people licking some guys pum pum cos he said this or that like it was the only thing.

Are AB's game to fight against another dog? I would say no, most of them are good with other dogs... but the avarage AB won't back down to anything and if another dog kicked off it wouldn't be much fun for anyone.

 

dunno, but i love me some american bulldogs lol

dont love the breed like I do APBT's, but I think just as highly of the american bulldogs ive owned as I do any other dog. good dogs.

 

They are cracking dogs. I love my girl Daisy, though she is pretty placid for an AB, cool as with other dogs... but she'd go at humans if needed and do her job guarding or protecting. She told some guy the other day who i reckon was trying to rob her off me, hahaha. Looked like he shit has pants.

 

my point was that gameness is proven , weather american bullldog or pitbull. if its not proven' its not game ,simple. my post about dogs killer instinct on a downed dog was in response to a comment made earlier, that game dogs fight and fight to kill. my point was many well known dogs scratched back proving their gameness without having the killer instinct when on top. so the two arent linked.gameness is simply a state which is constantly proven. as f boudreaux said all dogs will quit if you push them hard enough

 

i wouldnt say gameness is a dog fighting as not all are bred for it...id say gameness is willing to do the task is was bred and being willing to do it when at deaths door.
When talking about it being drive id question that i mean you stick a bitch in heat after a dogs been rolled and hell take hold because his so fired up like?

 

gameness is a term used in animal fighting not alone. If it was used for anything else then people with really good coon dogs or beagles would say they're game when they hunt. Hunting and protection work have nothing to do with it. Game is only used in game foul and fighting dogs. Just because a dog is an ace doesn't mean he is game. Gameness can only truely be proven when a dog is losing but refuses to quit. This is the purpose of the courtesy scratch. Anyone who has ever seen gameness wouldn't have to ask or debate what they think it is. This is why a lot of the ones who know what it is haven't posted on this thread. There's no point trying to explain it or describe it. You'll just have to see for yourselves.

 

Personally i am here because i like the spirit and soul of a "game" dog, they make the best family dogs because of their confidence despite the fact you can't let them offlead or other dogs anywhere near them... i'd like to think that nobody on this forum has "proven" their dogs, but it would be foolish of me to think that. I don't think you need to test a dog in a pit to know it is game, some dogs you just know what they are about when it comes to other dogs.

 

No you don't just know what they are about and if you don't like proving gameness then you don't know what gameness is. Just because a dog is dog agressive doesn't mean he won't quit in 10 min. And if nobody
proved their dogs gameness would be lost.

 

I dont think specific breeds are game, each individual dog has to prove itself. That being said i dont see other breeds accomplishing this very often especially to the level of the apbt. I think that prey drive, and gameness are gettin confused. I also dont think slowing down on top has anything to do with being an ace. I think an ace has more to do with ability than aggression and killer instinct

 

DA and gameness are nothing to do with each other. A DA dog has a trigger for the DA, be it fear or nervousness.... if you had a fearful or nervous DA dog and it got into a fight with a game dog, it would get badly hurt very quickly, even if it was 10 times the size of the game dog.

Trust me, i know what my eldest girl is about... just because i havn't chucked her in a pit doesn't mean i don't know what she is capable of. Like i keep saying, gameness is more than the dog just not quitting when injured... like you can tell if a GSD will be good for shutzhund, you can tell if a bull-terrier can handle itself and is of sound mind/temp.

 

Ok, dog agression comes from more than fear. Some dogs want to fight over territory or just because they want to. Again, just because your dog acts a certain way doesn't mean she won't quit in 10 min. There's only ONE way to know for sure and you don't want to know so you never will. A dog can be a game ace but you'll never know if he's truely game if he is a true ace because there's only ONE way to prove it. Just because a dog will go for 30 min on top doesn't mean he's game. A real game dog will scratch on his chin. I'm not going to try to explain this to you anymore cause others have tried and you just don't get it.

 

Fighting over territory is being defencive, it's a triggered reaction. Fighting because they want to fight, because they find it fun... that's part of what i view as gameness.

I know my girl, she wouldn't quit, just because i would never fight my dogs for "sport", doesn't mean they have never been in fights... and pit fights are one dog on one, even matched dogs.... so if "testing" is the dog having fights, she's done that tons and fucked every dog... even the two male pits twice her size that were set on her, but they were not game and backed off after she layed into them...

 

Gameness has nothing to do with wanting to fight. Some curs are very hott and DA. They will scratch as hard as any but will be hopin that wall when the goin gets tough

 

Ok, one more try.........lots of dogs want to fight and will fight. This doesn't make them game it makes them aggressive. Just because your dog has curred out a couple dogs don't mean she's game. "testing" a dog means you're trying to see if the dog will still try and continue to battle even when it's losing. Dogs are smart. They know if they're winning. Why quit if they're winning. A game dog won't give up when it's losing. To test a dog the dog needs to lose. The only exceptions that are made sometimes are for really rough dogs who can win in short order. An ace. Great ability. This doesn't mean they are or are not game it means they're good. Really good. To test gameness is to test the will when the chips are down. That's why it has been common to use more than one dog against the tested dog. The dog being tested needs to be losing to see if he will continue even though he knows he is losing. A cur will quit at this point.

 

If wanting to fight is gameness than my boxer is probably the gamest dog around, he has had fights with dogs, cats, horses and even a cow now how's that for game lol :rolleyes:

 

all i know is feed what your willing to and dont worry about anyone else....