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AI breeding

Discussion in 'Health & Nutrition' started by joker, Apr 15, 2020.

  1. joker

    joker Pup

    Hello,

    Has anyone here been successful with AI breeding. The male is too dominant. I watched and read a few documents but would like to get more info...also, what is the best way to make sure you are all the way in..something that i noted to be important are:

    *Timing
    *walk the female to use the washroom beforr
    *once the semin is pulled, use it ASAP
    *Female contracting/pumping helps pull the semin in the right direction
    *females back legs should be lefted


    Thanks,
     
  2. AGK

    AGK Super duper pooper scooper Administrator

    I've done it once a few years ago. The dam was extremely small compared to my stud so after 3 hours of unsuccessful breeding naturally A.I. was done instead. I always keep a kit around as you just never really know when you'll need it. Only produced a single female pup from the breeding.

    http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=501075

    Learning how to do A.I. isn't rocket science. Fairly easy to do. I didn't feel like typing it all out so I did a copy and pasted job that's pretty straight forward as far as insertion. Also there are no shortages of videos on youtube showing you how. As far as distance in the vag to place the pipette, it's around 5 to 6 inches to the cervix but that will also highly depend on the size of the bitch. Also it's not necessary for you to lift her back legs up either unless you feel the need to stand there for 10 minutes holding her in the air. 2 minutes in and she'll most likely start fighting you on that position. Keep her stacked is fine.

    Insemination Process

    The female is stood with her back legs behind her pelvis much like a show stack. This "saw horse stance" flattens the vaginal vault, making insertion of the pipette to the cervix easier. A dog's vaginal vault is one of the longest per pound of any mammal. It is up, over and down to get to the cervix but moving the back feet behind the female allows for a flatter route.

    Attach the syringe on one end of the pipette and insert the opposite end into the standing dog's vaginal vault. The pipette should be guided into the top of the vagina to avoid urethral entrance. Be gentle and travel up, then flat, then slightly down. Once the pipette is in place, you will deposit the semen. Then fill the syringe with air and push any remaining semen through the pipette into the vagina.

    Keep the dog in a standing position for at least 10 minutes. Do not allow her to sit or urinate. After 10 minutes the dog can walk around normally, but it's best if you confine her to avoid jumping or urinating for at least an hour. After that hour of confinement, the dog can return to normal activity.
     
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  3. one thing that scares people is when inserting they dont know how deep to go just slide your finger in use lube and slide past the finger for about an inch , thats enough
    I have done this and for others plenty of time and especially if u use ovulation test it shouldnt be a problem
     
  4. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    This may be myth, maybe an old wive's tale, but is there a correlation between method of breeding and performance?

    Are there a lot of winning dogs via AI?

    I know a bunch of guys in the chickens that do not believe good roosters can come via the incubator.

    Always wondered.

    I have done it twice on my own with only once being successful and the litter was out of good dogs but made a poor showing.

    S
     
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  5. AGK

    AGK Super duper pooper scooper Administrator

    I'm on that same kind of thought process Slim. I don't ever do AI for myself. The Horse people got me thinking it creates an inferior animal.

    I remember reading an medical study done years ago by the thoroughbred folks. Hell, why not follow what they do I said to myself as they spend billions on research. They used a term, that for the life of me, I can not remember what the actual word was but it had to do with the life force, for lack of a better term, bioelectrical type forces that the thrusting of a stud into a female creates and the biochemical reactions it causes in the females body to stimulate life. It was said that isn't present in an artifical breeding therfore creating an inferior animal.

    I can't name many winners out there myself that are from an AI breeding Not that they aren't out there. The only ones I can think of off the top of my head are a few down from gr ch Lukane. I couldn't name a ROM dog that is from AI at all. Then again, alot of the dogs in history I wouldn't know if they were products of AI breeding or not unless I knew the person or was there when they were doing the AI.

    It's too bad I feel that way too because AI is way easier than breeding naturally. Especially if neither dog wishes to cooperate. I just don't care to do it. I want a natural tie.
     
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  6. old goat

    old goat CH Dog

    LOLOL damn the horse people are so full of shit it's not even funny . And ya'll will believe such shit is funny too . Those winners are in front of your face but may be ya'll just don't know . Those champions Chico had must were AI . It's funny how people will let a myth from a damn horse breeder make you think it's true . I could name more but hell someone needs to research more than me . Just because people don't tell what they have doesn't mean they're not out there . Your last sentence says it best AGK .
     
  7. AGK

    AGK Super duper pooper scooper Administrator

    What that I prefer a natural tie?

    I do.

    I don't do much research on other peoples animals. Makes no difference to me what someone else does or doesn't do on their own yard. I tend to just mind my own.
     
  8. old goat

    old goat CH Dog

    Then again, alot of the dogs in history I wouldn't know if they were products of AI breeding or not unless I knew the person or was there when they were doing the AI. But you will believe a myth is what gets me . Those horse guys are full of it . I've only seen 1 guy come on here with different names saying this stuff . But I seen dogs all the time from AI . A lot of people breed that way to stop all the hassle .
     
  9. AGK

    AGK Super duper pooper scooper Administrator

    I'm not against it or anything. I even posted one I did. I'm not sure if I read it on here or not as it was at least 15 years ago when I peeked down that rabbit hole very minimally. I think it was actually a debate on the old R.O.M board that sparked the topic. It came up a few times on pedsoline too over the years.

    It's not something I whole heartly believe as gospel it was just another point of view on it and it's not even something that I believe can be scientifically proven. I doubt there is any real data like that on the subject anyway.

    I guess it is no different than thinking only red dogs are good or Christianity is the way or the earth is flat theories. I see your point. I don't know any thoroughbred breeders personally to know whether they're full of shit or not. Just know you aint racing in the Kentucky derby or the triple crown with a horse bred from A.I. Maybe it has more to do with money now that I'm thinking about it. Keeping the price of the horses high by limiting availability type thing.

    Lol still going do it naturally though. :))
     
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  10. old goat

    old goat CH Dog

    Don't think those breeding on those horse are any different than on dogs . People can say and do whatever they want if they know how . I know guys with the dog in the yard still alive to breed to but they will do AI . It's just that way now if you want that dog to still be active . You never know what could happen so better safe than sorry .
     
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  11. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    We bred to GRCH Virgil via AI. The female was cold. One male was OK but ran into CH. Joker along the way and the last was really talented but ate the end of a fire hose. 1 of three had a chance.

    I bred Patrick's Anvil to a daughter of Patrick's Kasai. Both produced well. The bitch had produced as well. Missed once and the litter I had was nothing to write home about.

    Not that it is anything scientific, but this older fellow told me once that when the male pushes and squeezes that last bit out, that was the sperm that made the winning dogs. LOL

    S
     
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