American bulldog

Some tend to have short muzzle and some longer. Anybody which one is the one with the longer muzzle is it Hines? Painter? Johnson? Scott? Weight tends to vary I noticed

 

There a MUT.They have been a mixed breed from beginning to today.They probably started out bullmastiff,,English mastiff,,maybe great dane,,pitbull,,American staffs and maybe even a big english bulldog,,,Thats about all they had back in the day now we have computers and tons of fancy pant mastiff types around....As much time went on I think a lot more gamey type big tall pits were added to increase the working abilities,,health and stamina.Johnson dogs are nice looking if you like huge monsters just bred for size the other 3 have waaaaay more big pit in them.If your looking for a super athletic AB find someone who's only hobby is hog hunting they should be big tall lanky dogs.There's no hogs up here so I like smaller super thick AB's the type that look 2 notches healthier then olde english bulldogs (OED).I would use for guard and protection work.

 

The dog being super thick wouldn't it make the dog tire out faster, like in the heat? That's why I'm asking with longer muzzle, short muzzle don't do good in heat

 

Longer muzzle is always better waaaaay better breathers.I'm not hunting hogs I would use an AB for intimidation against thiefs and such plus I just like bully bulldogs.Everybody is different.

 

Yeah, the scott type dogs have the longer muzzles. A lot of American Bulldogs now are hybrid bloodlines (Johnson, scott, painter, margentina, etc mixed in) with varying muzzle lengths.

My American Bulldog is the bully type but not extreme, he has Johnson and some Painter blood on back in the ped as well.

Here is he, about 4 months in this pic. He is 8 months old and 90 lbs now.
Walker's Crush the Crusher

 

Do the Scott's go over 100 lbs what about the painter or Hines?

 

Im not a specialist...i had a scott type american bulldog female and she was a great companion and a great guardian...and i have a few johnson types in my family...and they are super protective and alert over the family and properties

Alan scott is owner en founder of owl hollow kennel and iff ur interrested in american bulldogs checkout his website.
His type is known as (scott type) my favorite type btw
A true working/hunting dog with high prey drive, and DA is very common with this type.
Long muzzle, scisor type jaw/teeth and very athletic dogs more like a oversized pitbull...once registered as an american pitbull dog by alan scott later to be changed as american bulldog
checkout hines alan scotts ranger thats was a badass dog!!
These dogs are exelent hunting dogs...btw Scott type have less human suspiscion than the johnson type.
A great family dog...but i think the high drive animals are not for beginners.

Johnson type is more like a victorian style bulldog , heavy bones and short muzzle, bred for guard and protection etc.
Not as athletic and allot of underbite in this breed. Really a good guardian but not my cup of tea.
Great family dogs.

There are allot of shitty breeders especially here in europe...so please do you homework iff you consider to get one.

 

Some of them do, but I would say most of the 100+lb AB's have a lot of Johnson blood. The average Scott bred male would be around 80-90 lbs. Here is a good link for you to check out.
American Bulldog Types and Blood Lines

 

To say they are just a Mut is overly simplistic IMO. But do your research and find out what kind you want. There are a few good message boards and groups on FB. Good luck. I would stay away from Johnson blood unless you are looking for more show than go. They do tend to be more civil as well.

 

True gritt american bulldog forum used to be a great message board, i dont know how it is today...i think still lots of info on ambulldogs, there where all sorts of performance dogs discussed there...might be worth to check it out...

But dont neglect the gamedog board

 

I don't think you'll find many dogs w/a lot of Painter blood these days. Little more Hines around. Check out Kinghaven American Bulldogs if you are looking for a nice Scott type dog that's not overdone and w/a functional muzzle.

 

Just stumbled across this
Alan Scott got rid of all his dogs in 1982 sold most of them to Joe Painter & a few to Tappe. Scott did a comback in ‘98 or ‘99 but the crushed dog her had was a mutt not from his lines. Scott gets a lot of credit but in reality Johnson was consistently more active in the AB world. However Mr. Johnson did a lot of damage to the breed with his outcross breedings (AB to EB, BM St.B). Licthardt bred performance AB/game x’s going back to Boudreaux’ Maverick. LeClerc had performance Painter Margentina lines but also got out of the breed. The “Scott” dogs are in & around the 100lb mark, the Lichthardt, LeClerc, Koura, Kershner dogs are a bit smaller. The old Painter lines are about 115 these are male sizes. The Hines Dogs were a combination of old Johnson, Scott & Painter & they were slightly larger but not as athletic as the pure Painter dogs

 

Dose anyone no the true history of this breed?
like is it just a show English Bulldog that was rather athletic.so they bred em athletic?using them as catch dogs on hogs from there?
or is it a white Boxer type dog.that was picked up.worked.found suitible as a catch dog.so was bred into a type?
is it just a mix of differnt pit dogs that were large in weight.
or is it a pit dog crossed with some sort of mastiff?

Anyone no???
just curious.

 

I don't believe anyone could give u a straight, definitive answer. Some have more of this and that. Johnson added more modern mastiff and English bulldog. Scott / Performance dogs In general, a mix of working dogs. Early European bulldogs, mixed w boxers, maybe EBT, APBT, mastiff breeds before they were useless. At this point there are some solid families. Depending what use you are looking for, hog hunting, protection, family pet.... some few dogs can do it all.

 

With there being so many types of AB I don’t believe people know the true history anymore. However it was JD Johnson that mixed English Bulldog & Mastiff in to the AB gene pool, Scott before he got out of the breed is rumoured to have mixed in Carver dogs & possibly hound. John E Lichthardt openly admits to breeding in Boudreaux to his AB’s via Maverick. Rod Kershner had Painter AB’ & mixed in Mayday lines, Joe Painter there’s a lot of rumours about one being he was buying up catch weight dogs from Bert Sorrell to add to his program.

But Mr. Johnson has passed as well as Joe Painter, Joe’s partner Mike Margentina from what I have heard no longer breeds, JEL & LeClerc no longer breed. Scott’s business is booming from his stories despite being out of the dog world for almost 20 years.
As with the apbt there are show & working AB’s

 

They’d have been better off with a different name imo. Everyone you ask who was around back then added a little something else into the dogs they got from Johnson or Scott. Maybe American catch dog or something.

 

From my own research I’d say the base was big pitbulls with mastiff type crossed in to add size and make better home guardians.

 

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That is a very good looking dog.
Yours?

 

When the laws came in and the pit died out the American bulldogs became populair, they were bred like rabbits and the dogpounds were full with them.
Nowadays they are not that populair anymore in these neck of the woods.