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APBT blood in "old time" Staffordshire bull terriers

Discussion in 'Staffordshire Bull Terriers' started by JBL, Jan 31, 2014.

  1. XLR8

    XLR8 Big Dog

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    Here are some pics of the EBTs a guy I know is breeding.

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    He does work them and selects the breeding stock accordingly. A nice more athletic better looking EBT.

    Also there are quite a few game bred EBTs running the circuits in Russia although some claim a percentage of those dogs have APBT in them.
     
  2. M.T

    M.T Pup

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    Don't be silly.
     
  3. BLUE8BULL

    BLUE8BULL CH Dog

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    That guy above ,,heard on another thread he has gur in them..???
     
  4. Tigerlines

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    List them,anyone can claim anything online,J Dunn sought recognition and achieved it,his own words have been reproduced on this thread,we know who the original breed club members before and after recognition,what were these half a dozen names but forward and by who?

    The original name put forward was "The Original Staffordshire Bull Terrier", which was rejected by the Kennel Club due to the White Bull Terrier fraternity objecting to the use of the term "original",owing to the fact they owned the name "Bull Terrier" in recognition officially since 1887.
     
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  5. Tigerlines

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    Incidentally, what do you imagine the dog in your avatar is? to answer that question you must know the artist and his own words at the time, and those of his contemporaries.
     
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  6. Tigerlines

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    Ill post information on both the BULLDOG and the BLUE PAUL later.
     
  7. BLUE8BULL

    BLUE8BULL CH Dog

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    ...the dog in my avatar...is brutus...painted and owned by landseer....so what's in a name...tl.....some of the prints of old show slightly shagy/hariy dog's figting and baiting,,some of these were poss:first generation cross's.....the name stafford let's be honest was not used by k-club's till the 30's...the fact is people were crossing bulldog over terrier long before hink's...and many others..bull baiting,/etc.was been done all over europe and bulldogs were been used...the reason the black-country and stafford is say fameous is because people from these areas pushed for the k-club to reconise the breed..it was there club...so..good for them...(plus they have/had some great dog's)any-way good read's ya put up...had a few of them some-where before...ps:pm me if ya know were i can get me hand's/eye's on some more....b8b
     
  8. Tigerlines

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    Blue8bull, i asked about Dusty Roads avatar pic, but thanks for telling me about yours.
    The baiting around europe will become clear in the Bulldog information i post shortly, but thats irrelevant ,no where in europe or anywhere else baited animals like was practiced in the British Isles in length or scale of any degree, and none produced any animal the equal of the British Bulldog or the British Pit Bull and Terrier.

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  9. Tigerlines

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    Hink's celebrated stud dog "Old Victor" was obtained in the "Black Country" not Brimingham,as per custom of the "Black country", he had no written pedigree.

    James Hinks used the white Bull dog blood in the creation of his Bull Terriers, which is traceable back to the famous "Paddington Strain" that produced the celebrated Pit Bull Dogs "Young Storm and Old Storm reproduced in print in the early 1800, as well as the Champion rat killing dog and world record holder "Billy".

    Their is a reproduction of a pure white Bull Terrier named "crib" in 1834 pre dating Hinks involvement of the breed,and a reproduction of a thicker haired white bull terrier in mid 17oos.
     
  10. Tigerlines

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    BLUE PAUL

    We beg pardon of Mr. Alexander Macnab, of Lily burn, for the title of this article, which couples calico printers and fighting dogs together. We wished to give some account of each, and found that we were anticipated by the author of “The Parish of Campsie,” whose information on both subjects is so full that we cannot do better than give it verbatim—our title, we hope, will therefore pass :—

    “The late Mr. James Macnab began life as manager to his uncle, Mr. D. Ferguson, at Milncroft, near Glasgow. In a few years, he joined his brother John, the late Mr. Thomas Boyd, along with a Mr. Smellie, and they commenced business as Calico-printers, at Bellfield, Kirkintilloch, under the firm of Boyd, Smellie & Macnabs. The firm took a lease of the works for nineteen years, from the late Mr. Thomson. Mr. Boyd and the Messrs. Macnab soon found reason to complain of their partner Mr. Smellie. Calico-printing was quite uncongenial to his sporting tastes and proclivities.

    “At every public ball, at every wedding to which he could obtain an invitation, at dances of all kinds he was sure to be present. He was also musical and an excellent player on the violin, and was, in consequence, in great request at social and festive gatherings. He was a fine-looking man, and when attired in the full dress of the period, with white hat and top boots, he was a dandy of the first water.

    “He had a passion for dogs, having sometimes as many as forty in his possession at one time. Three of these dogs, of the famous Kirkintilloch Blue Pauls* were matchless fighters, and were never beaten. These were ‘ Courage, '4 Crib,' and ‘Tiflae.' The story of the 'Blue Pauls * descended through the male line from a Campsie dog, may be told here, although unconnected with calico-printing at Lilybum.

    “A regiment changing quarters, marched through Kirkintilloch shortly after 1820, when there was left behind, strayed, a fine bitch, believed to be the property of one of the officers. This dog was one of a very peculiar kind, which beat all the fanciers to determine the breed. The most plausible conjecture was, that it was a cross between an English bull and some other terrier, probably Bedlington. It was large in sire, and a more game animal never walked. It would face anything. It became the property of what would be called now, a syndicate of the "fancy,' of which a man named Shaw, who kept the ‘Beehive' Tavern in Townhead was a leading man. Dr. Robertson, of Campsie, had a famous white bull dog, 'a beauty,* and said to be perfect in all the points. From a cross between this Campsie dog, and the strayed regimental waif, sprang the race that for a few years were famous as the Kirkintilloch "Blue Pauls.*

    “There used, in these days, to be great dog fights at Bishopbriggs, for large sums of money, sometimes even for 40 or ^50 a-side. This breed was never beat; and so famous did it become, that orders came from every part of the country, even from abroad, to procure dogs of this strain, for which large sums were offered. The strain was soon spoiled by chance indiscriminate crossing, and the qualities that had made the parents valuable, were lost in their 'messan' descendants.

    “How could Mr. Smellie be expected to plod at Bellfield, when excited with the chances of "Courage,' or 'Crib?' After the co-partnery had existed for two years, he retired from the Bellfield firm.

    “During the currency of their nineteen years* lease, great success attended Boyd & Macnab*s, and, according to popular report, a great amount of money was made by the Bellfield firm. Their manufactures were fortunate in obtaining a favourable name; "Bellfield prints* being not only well-known in Scotland, but also in Manchester and London. When Lilybum came into the market, the lease of Bellfield had not expired, and the firm were not at liberty to leave until it had run out. Mr. Alexander Macnab, therefore, secured it in the meantime, and as soon as they were at liberty to do so, the Messrs. Macnab transferred their business from Bellfield to Lilybum. Mr. Boyd went to Barrhead, whither a number of the Kirkintilloch employees followed him.

    Kirkintilloch was well known for cock-fighting and badger-baiting, as well as dog-fighting; and the late James Merry, Esq., of sporting celebrity, when a young man, came frequently to see the game-cocks, which were said to be second to none. As the present generation may have some idea of a dog-fight, or a cock-fight, but will wonder what badger-baiting means, we shall endeavour to explain it, as we saw it done in Lanarkshire forty-six years ago, although we never saw an organised match for dog or cock combats.

    The sport of “badger-baiting,” although so called, was not exercised in order to bait or worry the badger, but to try the courage of dogs.

    A long wooden box was provided, about nine feet in length, and a foot square, open at the one end, and placed in the corner of a room. The badger was brought in, suspended by the tail, and although a peaceable -looking animal, his long sharp teeth and claws showed he was a dangerous customer, but at present he is put in at the open end of the box, and quietly walks to the far end, and turns round to await his foes. A dog is then led in, and his behaviour will be according to his breed and courage. If he only stands and barks, there is no hope of him, and he is at once discarded and another procured. When pure bred and “game” he wastes no time, but runs in on his foe, who, on his part, is not slow to defend himself, and sometimes gives his adversaries dreadful bites, even to the loss of a fore-paw. Generally, however, the dog seized the badger by the top of the neck, and dragged him into daylight, and as nothing would induce him to let go, one man held the badger by the tail, while another, with a large pair of tongs, made for the purpose, and put on each side of the dog*s neck, fairly “choked ” him off. The badger, who seemed quite phlegmatic under the whole operation, was then put into his den to try another subject.

    It is well that the Legislature put down all these sports, for there can be no doubt that they exercised a brutal tendency. We ascribe to the passing of this law the decay of the celebrated “Blue Pauls”—their occupation was gone.

    We cheerfully give Campsie all the “credit and renown” that can accrue to it for producing the sire of such a notable race as the “Blue Pauls”—all the more readily as the said sire appears to have been a dog of careful education and upbringing; handsome in person; moving in good society; careful of his property ; contented with his environment; and averse to changes—a good Conservative dog, in fact Kirkintilloch, on the other hand, has little or no credit by the mother. If she had even been a native, it would have been something to speak of, but she seems to been left on the streets a waif, from nobody knew where, and of parentage nobody knew what—very likely she had not an atom of property, not even a collar. She “had no stake in the country”—and, in fine, was a disreputable Radical. Her only redeeming quality was that she <c would face anything,” but this only shows that she was a brazen-faced impudent bitch, and all the more a Radical.

    But look what a judicious coalition will accomplish; in this case the results were astounding; Kirkintilloch became famous through the mother of the race, while Campsie was never heard of in connection with them. Such is the irony of fate; but the reputation of the “Blue Pauls” only blazed up for a short period, and then died out—pretty like all coalitions before or since.

    A celebrated orator in Parliament was reproached by the then Duke of Grafton—who prided himself on his ancestral birth—on account of the obscurity of his origin; and in reply to the duke called him “but the accident of an accident,” and so it is with dogs as well as men, as we have seen. After all, the Blue Pauls turned out to be a doubtful triumph for Kirkintilloch; for what between fighting dogs and fighting weavers, the place got a bad reputation for a time. So much so, that young men who had to leave the town, and seek work elsewhere, were rather reluctant to tell where they came from. A friend of ours tells us that in his youth he got employment in another town without being asked where he hailed from. A few days after a fellow-workman—who had been informed of his origin— spoke to him of it, the conversation being :—“You*re frae Kirkintilloch?” “Oh, yes.” “That*s where the idle weavers sit in dozens at the cross, and when a bee flies past they all rise and run after it, crying, ‘A bummer, a bummer!”

    Before dismissing the “Blue Pauls,” we may here give an anecdote which is somewhat “germain to the matter.”

    During the Crimean War the late Captain Kenny was drilling a company of recruits on the esplanade of Stirling Castle. Every man of them was from Kirkintilloch; they were newly enrolled, without uniforms, or in mufti, as the phrase is: and, truth to tell, as ragged a lot as ever marched through Coventry; but the real stuff of which soldiers are made.

    Being young fellows, rollicky and reckless, it required all the commanding presence and voice of Captain Kenny to keep them in the semblance of order, or attention to his instructions.

    Suddenly the captain beheld them looking in one direction, laughing and talking—the last being a bad military offence—and, fairly losing his temper, shouted,

    “ATTENTION!!! what the - are you looking at?” One answered, “It*s Coach Will.” “And who is Coach Will?” “He*s frae Kirkintilloch.” The captain, glancing at the new comer, said in vehement tones.

    “Surely to goodness this is the last of the ‘Blue Pauls now.”

    We must, however, redeem the character of weavers, which we hope to do ere we close, and that to their satisfaction as well as the reader*s, and with interest in a double sense also. The following series of letters appeared in the Kirkintilloch Herald\ and are reproduced with the sanction of the writer, Mr. David Russell, now one of the staff of the Glasgow Herald newspaper.

    (THOMAS WATSON 1894)
     
  11. Tigerlines

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    BLUE PAUL

    Mr. Macnab's father, the late Mr. James Macnab, began life as manager to his uncle, Mr. D. Ferguson, at Milncroft, near Glas- gow. In a few years he was asked to take the management of larger works at Strathblane, belonging to Messrs. Sharp & Buchanan. After a few years, he joined his brother John, the late Mr. Thomas Boyd, along with a Mr. Smellie, and they com- menced business as calico printers at Bellfield, Kirkintilloch, under the style of Boyd, Smellie, & Macnabs. The firm took a lease of the works for nineteen years from the late Mr. Thomson. Mr. Boyd and the Messrs. Macnab soon found reason to complain of their partner Mr. Smellie. Calico printing was qaite uncon- genial to his tastes and his sporting proclivities. At every public ball, at every wedding to which he could obtain an invitation, at dances of all kinds he was sure to be present. He was also musi- cal, and an excellent player on the violin, and was in consequence in great request at social and festive gatherings. He was a fine looking man, and when attired in the full dress of the period, with white hat and top boots, he was a " dandy " of the first water.

    He had a passion for dogs, having sometimes as many as forty in his possession at one time. Three of these dogs, of the famous Kirkintilloch " Blue Pauls," were matchless fighters, and were never beaten. These were " Courage," " Crib," and ' Tiflae." The story of the "Blue Pauls," descended through the male line from a Campsie dog, may be told here, although unconnected with calico-printing at Lillyburn. A regiment changing quarters marched through Kirkintilloch shortly after 1820, when there was left behind, strayed, a fine bitch, believed to be the property of one of the officers. This dog was of a very peculiar kind, which beat all the fanciers to determine the breed. The most plausible conjecture was that it was a cross between an English bull and some other terrier, probably Bedlington. It was large in size, and a more game animal never walked. It would face anything. It became the property of what would be called now a syndicate of the " Fancy," of which a man named Shaw, who kept the Beehive Tavern in Townhead, was a leading man. Dr. Robertson of Campsie had a famous white bull dog, ** a beauty," and said to be perfect in all the points. From a cross between this Campsie dog and the strayed regimental waif sprang the race that for a few years were famous as the Kirkintilloch Blue Pauls.

    There used in these days to be great dog fights at Bishopbriggs for large sums of money, sometimes even for £40 or £50 a side. This breed was never beat, and so famous did it become that orders came from every part of the country, even from abroad, to procure dogs of this strain, for which large sums were offered. The strain was soon spoiled by chance indis- criminate crossing, and the qualities that had made the parents valuable were lost in their '' messan " descendants. How could Mr. Smellie be expected to plod at Bellfield when excited with the chances of " Courage " or " Crib " ? After the copartnery had existed for two years, he retired from the Bellfield firm.
    (1892 D MACLEOD)
     
  12. Tigerlines

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    THE EVOLUTION OF THE BULLDOG - A HISTORICAL SURVEY By R. H. Voss - Dec. 15, 1933

    Mr. Voss was the number one authority and historian of the Bulldog in his day. This article is reprinted for those who have a deep interest in the history of the Bulldog Breed. Britain was made a Roman province in the year 50 A.D., when the British Chieftain Caractacus was defeated by Emperor Claudine. At that time there were "pugnaces", or war dogs, in Britain, which were used in war, for the contests in the amphitheater and in the chase. These fighting dogs of Britain were known as the "broad-mouthed dogs of Britain" during the Roman era, and there is very little doubt that they were the original and remote ancestors of our Mastiff and Bulldog. They Appealed immensely to the Romans, who sent considerable numbers of them from Britain to Rome to take part in the sports of the amphitheater, and it has even been said that the Romans appointed an officer to select British dogs and export them to Rome. The "pugnaces" of Britain were specifically alluded to by Arrain in the year 130, and somewhere about 390, when the Western Empire was beginning to decline, Claudian, the poet, mentioned them, and distinguished them from all other dogs as being able to pull down a bull. Twenty years later the Goths, under Alaric, sacked Rome, whose Western Empire fell after 437 years of power, and the same year (410) the Roman garrisons were withdrawn from Britain, which was left a prey to its Saxon invaders. There is evidence that from Italy the breed of British war dogs was disseminated over the Continent in the year's 50/410.

    The Saxon Kingdom of England was succeeded in 1066 by the Norman kings, and the training of bulls, bears, horses, and other animals for the purpose of baiting them with dogs was practiced by the jugglers who were introduced into England by her Norman conquerors. As early as Henry II's time (1154) the baiting of bulls and bears by dogs was a popular amusement. Henry II had gained Bordeaux on his marriage with Eleanor of Aquitaine in 1151, and this important town remained in the hands of the English till about 1411, for approximately 260 years. From 1356 to 1367 the Court of King Edward III (father of Edward the Black Prince), with its attendant English sports of bull and bear baiting, was held at Bordeaux

    It was in or about 1406 that Edmond de Langley, Duke of York, the Fourth of the seven sons of Edward III, wrote a treatise entitled the "Mayster of Game". Edmond de Langley was master of the game and of the hawks to Henry IV, and in his treatise he described the Alaunt or Allen as a dog with a large, short, and thick head and short muzzle, which was remarkable for his courage, so that when he attacked an animal he hung on, and which was used in bull-baiting. But it is well known that Edmond de Langley's treatise was to all intents and purposes nothing but a translation of a work written a few years earlier by Gaston Phoebus, Comte de Foix, who described the great French Alant, drawing a distinction between the Alant Gentil and the Alant de Boucherie. Geoffrey Chaucer, the father of English poetry, wrote ``Knight's Tale" about the same time (1390), and extolled the Alaunt therein as a dog of great size, strength, and courage, used in the chase of the lion and the bear. There can be very little doubt that the French ``Alant" of Gaston de Foix were one and the same dog, the French Alant being the descendent of the English Alaunts exported to Bordeaux, and in turn the ancestor, without any doubt whatsoever, of the Dogue de Bordeaux, the huge fighting dog of the South of France In 1556 it is known that Philip II introduced great numbers of English Alaunts into Spain and the island of Cuba for the purposes of the arena.

    IN 1576 Dr. Caius, of Cambridge, described the "Mastvve" or "Bandigge", which was undoubtedly the direct descendent of the Alaunt, as a vast, huge, stubborn, ugly and eager dog, of a heavy and burdenous body, serviceable to "bait and take the bull by the ear", two dogs at most being sufficient for that purpose, however untamable the bull might be. In 1585 A. Hondius painted an oil painting on an oak panel (which came into the possession of Mr. Frank Adcock) which depicted two bandogges or Alaunts attacking a wild boar in the bed of a shallow stream. One was red, with a black muzzle and the other white, with brindle ear patches and they both had "rose" ears, and long fine tails, and looked a s though they must have weighed 100lbs. To 120 lbs. The red dog had a firm grip on the left ear of the boar. G. R. KREHL'S THEORY EXAMINED. In 1900 Mr. John Proctor, and Englishman resident in Antwern, who was a well-known dog fancier, and who had judged the Dogues de Bordeaux at Paris in 1894, purchased an old bronze placque or medallion in Paris from Monsieur A. Provendier, a noted breeder of French Bulldogs.

    This antique bronze placque was dated 1625, and bore in bas-relief the head of a cropped Bulldog, and the inscription "Dogue de Burgos Espna", the artist's name being Cazalla. From this bronze placque the late Mr. George R. Krehl, who was in 1900 the editor of "The Stock Keeper", built up a theory as to the origin of the French Bulldog, after having in 1893 created somewhat of a sensation by benching at the Kennel Club Show St. Crispin, Lizette, Saida, Rayon d'Or, Riquette, and Jeanne la Folle, funny little creatures, freshly imported from Paris. He deduced from this placque, and from the fact that Burgos is the principle town of Old Castelle, and was formerly noted for the breeding of dogs for use in the arena, that the Bulldog originated in Spain, and migrated thence to Bordeaux, where services of the animals were in demand for fighting and for dog and donkey contests, and that finally the dogs traveled up to Paris where they bantamised the breed into the French Bulldog. In my option, Mr. Krehl's theory will not for one moment hold water.

    The fact that the "pugnacious" of Britain were known as the "broad-mouthed dogs of Britain" and that Claudian in 390 stated that they were able to pull down a bull, shows that these dogs were, of course, in a rough and typical manner only, the original stock from which the Bulldog and Mastiff sprang. That these dogs were in the years 50/410 exported to Rome by the Romans, and from Rome disseminated over the Continent, there is no doubt. Further, it has been shown that as early as 1154 the baiting of bulls and bears by dogs in England was a popular amusement, and it stands to reason that these dogs were the descendents of the "broad-mouthed dogs of Britain". Also, it has been shown that from 1151 till 1411 Bordeaux belonged to England, and that the English Court was actually situated there from 1356 till 1367, with its accompaniment for bull and bear baiting.

    It was whilst the English still held Bordeaux that Comte Gaston de Foix described the great French Alant so fully, and it is clear from the words of Edmond de Langley and of the poet Chaucer that the French Alant of Comte Gaston de Foix and the English Alant of de Langley and Chaucer were one and the same animal. The Alant of England was undoubtedly exported to France from 1151 onwards for a period of 260 years, and he was almost certainly crossed there with some remote descendents of the British war-dogs which hundreds of years previously had traveled to France via Rome. The English Alaunt, when Chaucer wrote in 1390, was a dog of great size, as he would have to be if used against the lion and the bear. The words of Dr. Caius in 1576 (186 years later) and the painting of A. Hondius in 1585 shows that at that period he still remained in England. A huge and heavy dog and obviously none but a very large dog could "take the bull by the ear," to use Dr. Caius' words. It is absolutely in keeping, therefore, imagining that the Dogue de Bordeaux, as imported into England in 1895 by Mr. Sam Woodiwiss and the late Mr. H.C. Brooke, was originally descended from the English Alaunts which were exported to Bordeaux from 1151 to 1411. THE DOGUE DE BORDEAUX. The Dogue de Bordeaux was in 1895, in the year that Mr. John Proctor judged the breed at Bordeaux Show, a dog of an average height of 25 ½ inches and of an average weight of about 120 lbs. He had a very big wrinkled skull, a broad, deep, and powerful muzzle, very pendulous flews, and underjaw, which projected slightly, large nostrils. He also had small and deep-set eyes of a light color of a wicked expression, a deep furrow up the skull, a thick neck, muscular shoulders, a wide and deep chest and powerful limbs.

    The color, which was preferred, was a reddish-fawn, with light eye, a liver-colored nose, and a red mask without dark shadings. These dogs were for a great many years, from the English occupation of Bordeaux onwards, bred for encounters in the arena, being pitted against each other or against the bull, the bear, or the ass, and even as late as 1906 these encounters occasionally took place. Matador du Midi, a young fawn dog which Mr. H.C. Brooke imported in 1895, was of the old fighting strain, and amongst his ancestors were; Caporal (for seven years champion of the Pyrenees), Megre (a Bitch which had been pitted against bear, wolf, and Hyena) and Hercules (which was finally killed by a jaguar in a terrific battle in San Francisco). When it was 18 months old Mr. Brooke gave Matador du Midi a "jump" against a big Russian bear, and the dog showed great science in keeping his body as much sideways as possible, to avoid the bear's hug, and threw the bear fairly and squarely on the grass times. The average skull circumference of Dogue De Bordeaux measured 26 ½ inches, although his average height was only 25 ½ inches, and from the corner of the eye to the tip of the nose the average measurement was 3 inches. In 1896 a club was formed in England for the Dogue de Bordeaux, and Mr. H.C. Brooke, Monsieur Megnir,(of L'Eleveur), Dr. Wiart, and others drew up a standard, but the anti-cropping edict of the Kennel Club in 1898 killed the breed stone dead in England. In 1907 the dog's use in the arena in France began to be entirely discontinued, and at Paris show that year there were only 10 Dogues on view, and the winners had button ears and black masks, like English Mastiffs.

    When I stayed for three months in Bordeaux home with me, but in the home of the breed I only saw three or four Dogues, and only one good one. None of them was cropped, and they had either rose or button ears, and only one had the red mask, the light eyes, and the liver-colored nose. THE NAME OF BULLDOG. During the reigns of Mary, Elizabeth, James I, and Charles I, which covered the years 1553 to 1649, the baiting of bulls and full-grown bears by dogs was a very popular sport. Hentzner, in his itinerary, printed in Latin in the region of Queen Elizabeth in 1598, stated that there was a place built in the form of a theatre which served for baiting of bulls and bears, which described as being fastened behind, and then worried by "great English dogs", which shows that in 1598 the dogs were still very large. In 1556 Philip II became King of Spain and introduced great numbers of English Alaunts into Spain and the islands of Cuba and Majorca for purposes of the arena. In my own mind there is very little doubt that the dog from Burgos depicted upon the old bronze plaque, dated 1625, was a descendant of these English dogs, or wan an imported English dog himself. It was not until 1631, in the reign of Charles I, that the name "Bulldog" was first mentioned in England.

    There is a letter in the Record Office, which was written in 1631 from St. Sabastian, in Spain, by an Englishman called Prestwich Eaton to his friend George Wellingham in St. Swithin's Lane, London, asking for a good "Mastive" dog and two good "Bulldoggs" to be sent out to him. This is definite proof that the Bulldog and the Mastiff were then becoming separate breeds. It is also definite proof that six years after the date of the Burgos plaque the export of Bulldogs (as they were just beginning to be called) from England to the sport-loving dons of Spain, which had been commenced by Philip II 75 years earlier, was still continuing. The cropped dog depicted on the old Spanish placque of 1625 was very noticeably a big dog and very noticeably a Bulldog, being much underhung, with a big skull and a well laid back nose. Many years later, in the year 1840, Bill George imported from Spain a Spanish Bulldog, which he called Big-headed Billy, whilst in 1868 Mr. Macquart brought over Bonhomme and Lisbon, and in 1873 Mr. Frank Adcock acquired Toro and Alphonse in Madrid. All these five were termed pure-bred Spanish Bulldogs, and they were all exactly of the type depicted on the 1625 placque. Big-headed Billy was brindle-pied, Bonhomme a brindle, Toro a red carroty brindle, and Alphonse a rich fawn with a black mask and slight white markings, and all these four dogs weighed exactly 90 lbs., whilst I heard it stated that Lisbon, a brindle bitch, weighed slightly more than 90 lbs. Lisbon and Alphonse were both noted dogs in the arena in Spain. Toro had a 22-inch skull, stood 22 inches at the shoulder, and measured 2 ½ inches from the corner of the eye to the tip of the nose.

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    A very good red Spanish Bulldog, with a black mask, was exhibited at the Royal Aquarium in 1896, and mistakenly entered as a Dogue de Bordeaux. He had a good Bulldog head, with his nose well laid back, and was very much underhung, as was Monsieur Rieu's brindle dog of the fighting strain, whelped about 1900, and reputed to be a grand dog in the arena. This dog also weighed about 90 lbs., his height at the shoulder was 21 inches, and he only measured 2 inches from the corner of eye to the tip of the nose. Seeing that Mr. George Raper's Ch. Rabagae, whelped 1893, which weighed only 56 lbs., and had a 20 ¼ inch skull, also measured 2 inches from the corner of the eye to the tip of the nose, it is clear that these big 90 lb. Spanish dogs were reasonably short in face, and they had proper Bulldog tails, with a downward crook at the root and another at the end. They were all cropped. It seems to me quite clear that the Dogue de Bordeaux, which averaged 120 lbs. in weight, 25 ½ inches in height, 26 ½ inches in skull circumference, and 3 inches in length of face, and which in many cases light eyes and ``dudley" noses, and in all cases only slight projection of underjaw and tails which reached to the hocks, represented the original English Alaunt as bred in England and Bordeaux in the years 1151/1411. Whilst the Spanish Bulldog, which only averaged 90 lbs. in weight and 2 ¼ inches in length of face, and which had dark eyes and a black nose and mask, and was well underhung, with a moderately short, crooked-down tail, and the Bulldog's rolling gait represented the English Bulldog as bred in the years 1556/1649, when the Bulldog was just beginning to be a different dog from the Mastiff. To modern eyes both the Dogue de Bordeaux and the Spanish Bulldog would appear of Mastiff type, but the latter definitely less so than the former. This seems clearly due to the fact that the English dogs which began to go out to Spain in 1556 were already much more of Bulldog type than the English dogs which went out to Bordeaux in the years 1151/1411. Before the Bulldog and the Mastiff had begun to emerge from the Alaunt and to take definite shapes of there own.

    The Spanish dogs which Messrs. George Macquart and Adcock imported in the year's 1840/1873 was very massive, though less so than the Dogue de Bordeaux, and exceedingly muscular and active and they had close-cropped ears. They all appeared to have black muzzles, very deep flews, and large nostrils a deep stop and furrow, and were moderately short in face and considerably underhung. They were well wrinkled, had a deep double dewlap, a very thick and muscular neck, very muscular shoulders, a thick and slightly bowed forearm, large feet, a broad and deep chest, round ribs and strong loins. There was a considerable fall at the shoulders, and from that point the loins began to rise. The hindquarters were small, compared with the forequarters, and considerably higher. BEAR AND BULL BAITING During the reigns of Mary, Elizabeth, James I, and Charles I (1553/1649), and again during the reign of Charles II (1600/1635), bull baiting and bear-baiting was the sport of Kings, who used to regale ambassadors and other foreign personages with it. The place built in the shape of a theatre in which bulls and bears were baited, and which was mentioned by Hentzner in 1598, was the Bankside Bear Garden in Southpark, which during the reigns of Queen Elizabeth and James I was kept by Edward Alleyn, the actor and founder of Dulwich School.

    As has already been shown, it was during the reign of Charles I (in 1631) that the Bulldog was first specifically mentioned by name, and the testimony of Hentzner shows that very large dogs were still used in 1598, and the probability is that exactly same type of dog was in use till the death of Charles II in 1685, because in that monarch's reign they often fought with bears and occasionally with lions at Bankside. So far as I have been able to ascertain the Alaunts of the years 1553/1630 were dogs of an average weight of at least 110 lbs., and the Bulldogs of the years 16311685 weighed on an average 90 lbs., and Mr. Frank Adcock's Toro brought over from Madrid in 1873, was probably a pretty exact counterpart of what the English Bulldog was in the years 1631/1685. At the end of 1685 James II came to the throne, and from that day onwards bull-baiting declined as a fashionable and courtly amusement, though it continued exceedingly popular with the lower classes for another 150 years. At Bankside special kennels were erected for the great dogs that used to bait the bulls and bears. Many of whose relations had been shipped to Spain from 1556 till probably 1650 or even later. But upon the accession of James II, the Bankside Bear Garden was finally disused as a royal appurtenance, and from that time onwards the Bear Garden at Hockey-in-the-Hole, near Clerkenwell Green, was the chief venue of London devotes of the sport, another favorite place being William Well's Bear Garden and Tuttle Fields, Westminster.

    At these places bull and bear baiting became a very barbarous recreation shunned by the better class of people and which went furthest and fairest in against the bull, or which jumped highest against the bear, the prizes being a guinea or ten shillings or a collar. The rules of bull baiting, as practiced from 1686 till 1835, presupposed a tethered bull or a tethered bear, and the dog was only required to ``pin" the bull, not to throw him, as was sometimes actually done in earlier years, when many of the bulls were unfettered. THE SMALLER DOG APPEARS The new system of bull-baiting, as practised from 1686 onwards, favoured an active dog of moderately low stature and of only moderate size, with his nose well-laid back and a protruding underjaw. The great dog of 90 lbs. in weight which had been in vogue when bull-baiting was the sport of Kings, was no longer wanted, whilst the common folk who now had the sport in hand could not afford to rear and keep such huge animals, which would have been a ``white elephant" to them. Much can happen to change any breed of dog in 50 years and by in breeding and breeding with a fixed purpose in view between the years 1686 and 1735, a dog of a definite type and of average weight of 50 lbs. was produced. The dog of 1735 was smaller in skull than the dog of the present day, longer in face, higher at the shoulder, not so wide in front, lighter in bone and body, and less exaggerated in every way, but he was the framework upon which the fin de siecle Bulldog of to-day was built up. And the dog that was gradually evolved in the years 1686/1735, though finally more than 40 per cent lighter than his ancestors of the years 1631/1686, had all the indominable pluck of his ancestors, and was not only the bravest dog but actually the bravest creature on earth, not even expecting the Old English Game Cock. This is an undisputable fact, which was proved time and time again. The dog which was produced in the years 1686/1735, was" the dog for the bull", and it was during those years, and not before then, that he was taught and trained to pin the bull by the nose, and never to attack him in any other place.

    As early as 1710 this method of attack became inherited tendency, and even to-day, though bull-baiting was abolished 98 years ago, many Bulldogs still see in cattle their hereditary for, and if a young dog loses his head in a field of cattle he will nearly always try to pin the nearest beast by the nose. DOG FIGHTING: AND THE BULL TERRIER From 1735 to 1835 the Bulldog was bread on the same lines with no alterations in type. In 1835 the cruel practice of Bull-baiting was prohibited by law and the Bulldog's true occupation disappeared. He would probably have most died out but for the barbarous so called sport of dog fighting. Dog fighting commenced about 1690, in the reign of James II. Burnette in his "History of My Own Times" written about 1700, refers to dog fighting and the gardens at which these scenes were enacted. For fully 100 years the Bulldog was the only dog used in this cruel pastime, but in or about the year 1800 the devotees of the game sought to produce a quicker dog in the pit.. At this time there were many smooth coated Old English Terriers in varied colorings, but all smart, active and alert. Excellent for Killing rats or unearthing the fox. the larger types of these Terriers were crossed with the Bulldog and the product which was a dog that combined all the dash and speed of the terrier with the indomitable courage and fighting instinct of the Bulldog. These dogs were known as Bull Terriers. In the years 1800 and 1835, when the notorious Westminster Pit flourished, the young Corinthians of those days indulged freely in dog fighting. And it is probable that a certain number of pure Bulldogs were fought in the pit till at least 1840. Dog fighting, as well as bull and bear baiting, was made illegal in 1835, but it continued to be carried on secretly in quite an extensive manner until about 1880, more especially in London, Birmingham, Liverpool and several towns in the black country, notably Walsall. From 1840 till about 1855 no other dog was used in the pit but the comparatively short faced, course and bandy legged Bull Terrier.

    In about 1855 James Hinks, of Birmingham, produced the first of the modern white Bull Terriers, which he had obtained by crossing the Bulldog and the Terrier with the refined and graceful white English Terrier. After 1880 police supervision became much more strict, though fights were secretly staged in different towns on a number of occasions between 1880 and 1899, that being the last year I ever heard of a dog fight being held. BULLDOGS A CENTURY AGO Let us now revert to the year 1835, when bull bating, bear bating and dog fighting were abolished by law. The Bulldog was then looked upon as the associate of rogues and vagabonds and was condemned by the better class of people for keeping bad company. For five years, the Bulldog was probably only kept in existence by the fact that he still had a few admirers who stuck to him as a fighting dog. But by 1840 there were probably less Bulldogs in England than at any period during the breed existence. The bulk of Bulldogs at that time were 45 to 50 pound dogs upon the lines which they had been bred for that type and purpose had emerged about 1735, that is to say they were extremely active, powerful, game and tenacious dogs, much more leggyand much less coddley and not nearly so heavy built as our present day dogs, but nevertheless very muscular and compact, as shown in Scott's engraving of Crib and Rosa, dated 1817. At the same time there were still in existence a certain number of much bigger dogs running up to 65 pounds in weight and these were undoubtable the remanats of the days when Bulldogs were 90 pound dogs. These remnants of the old type were mostly in the hands of one or two people, notably Bill George, who in 1838 had succeeded Ben White as a keeper of baiting and fighting dogs and they were naturally more of a Mastiff type than the smaller and more popular dog. This was the position of 1840 and it was fortunate for the Bulldog that just about then, the interest in the dogs began to increase and working man fanciers began to arise who bred dogs with great care and who held small Public-House evening shows, where their dogs paraded on the sanded floors of rap rooms, the landlord usually providing the prizes, though sometimes the working men who kept these dogs, clubbed together to contribute a handsome silver collar, or something of that sort.

    THE PUG CROSS AND IT'S EFFECTS The dogs which epically appealed to those good old working men fanciers were King Charles Spaniels and Bulldogs and as they always preferred a little dog, there is no doubt that they crossed some of their smaller sized Bulldog bitches with Pug dogs, in order to reduce the size of the progeny and also to produce the fawn emut color which was then much admired. The average weight of the Pug dog of those days was 20 lbs. and their ears when not shorn off and rounded close to the head, were then as often Rose as Button. By crossing the two breeds over a decade of years, lightweight Bulldogs were produced weighting between 12 and 20 lbs., It being the desire of these dog fanciers to bantamize the Bulldog and produce as attractive a pet that would cost no more to rear than their Toy Spaniels and for which they would have a ready Sale. There is no doubt that this Pug cross had a lot to do with the prevalence later on of the Fawn Emut or fallow emut Bulldog and with the prevalence of the SCREW TAIL, although less headstrong and daredevil in character. But as the Bulldog was much more the stronger character of the two it is doubtful the alliance with the Pug actually affected the courage of the progeny and as a matted of fact, the lightweight Bulldogs of the fifties, sixties and the seventies were particularly game little dogs often quite useful in the RAT PIT. In 1859 open dog shows began to be held and the commencement of the dog show era immediately created an incentive for breeding Bulldogs for show purposes. The original show dogs were of the type as follows: 1. The dog which had been specifically bred to bait the bull from 1735 "when this dog first attained a very definite type" until bull baiting was abolished in 1835 and which since 1835 had maintained it's existence by reason, first of a dog fighter and later of pot house shows. These dogs varied from 45 to 50 pounds, as a rule. 2. The big dogs of more or less Mastiff type which were the remnants of the original 90 lbs. Bulldogs. By 1859 had been reduced in size to 60 lbs. These dogs received a stimulus by the importation of the Spanish Bulldog, Big-Headed Billy in 1840. Bill Georges famous White dog Dan, which weighted 65 lbs. and was sold for 100 pounds, was a grandson of Big Headed Billy. 3.

    The little dogs of 12 to 25 pounds in weight which had been produced by inbreeding smaller sized Bulldogs and by crossing these small sized bitches with Pug dogs in the years 1835 to 1845. At the early shows, from 1859 to 1870, Classes were always provided for dogs under 20 pounds. And those cases were as a rule were well filled. The little dogs as might be expected from their breeding, were usually very short in face with noses well laid back. They were chiefly bred in London, Nottingham and Birmingham. THE SPANISH INVASION In the years 1868 to 1873 the fresh importation's of Spanish bulldogs by Mr. Marquart and Mr. Frank Adcock further increased to the numbers and probably also to the size of the large-sized Bulldogs, though only four or five Kennels used these imported Bulldogs at stud. These importation's greatly incensed the breeders who swore by the 50 lb. dog as specifically bred for bull-baiting as being the original British Bulldog, which in actual fact he was not and it was the outburst of horror at the dangers of the Spanish Invasion which caused the formation of the Bulldog club in 1875. It cannot be proved that any fresh crosses have been made since the 1870's, but it is said that in the middle of the 90's a small Mastiff bitch was on more than one occasions mated to a Bulldog in order to produce dogs of greater size and substance. Whether this type is true or not, it is a significant fact that since that period we have had quite a number of dogs weighing over 70 lbs. some of them decided Mastiff type, although better rearing has doubtless played it's part in increasing size and substance.

    The exhibition of the dog of today (1933*) is therefore the result of inter-crossing of the three distinct types which existed in 1859. The large size dog having been increased in numbers by crossing with the imported Spanish Bulldogs of the 70's and possibly further increased by the alleged Mastiff cross on a limited scale is the middle 90's. Students of the Bulldog who take the trouble to read history of his evolution will readily understand why even today, (1933*) there is no uniformity of type or size in Bulldogs, and why it is possible for two dogs to be of different type and size whilst at the same time , they are both good ones. The differences in type and size spring from the different ingredients in their origin and these differences will never entirely disappear. I hope that my reader will also agree with me that the British Bulldog, the Old English Mastiff, the Dogue de Bordeaux, and the Spanish Bulldog all sprang originally from the same British origin which is from the English Alaunt. It is a theory I have held for years, but have never seen propounded... Source: Our Dogs, Dec. 15, 1933
     
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    THE BULLDOG

    THOMAS BEWICK 1790

    The fiercest of all the dog kind, and is probably the most courageous creature in the world. It is low in stature, but strong and muscular. Its nose is short; and the underjaw projects beyond the upper, which gives it a fierce and unplesing aspect. Its courage in attacking the bull is well known; its fury in seizing, and its invincible obstinacy in maintaining its hold, are truly astonishing. It always aims at the front; and generally fasten upon the lip, the tongue, the eye, or some part of the face; where it hangs, in spite of every effort of the bull to disengage himself.'

    THE BULLDOG

    SYDENHAM EDWARDS 1800

    The Bulldog is in height about 18 inches; and weighs about thirty six pound. Head round and full, muzzle short, ears small, in some the points turning down, in others perfectly erect, and such are called tulip - eared; Chest wide, body round, with the limbs very muscular and strong; the tail thin and tapered, curling over the back, or hanging down, termed tyger tailed, rarely erected, except when the passions of the animal are aroused; hide loose and thick, particularly about the neck; the hair short, and the hind feet turned outwards, hocks approaching each other, which seems to obstruct their speed in running, but is admirably adapted to progressive motion when combating on their bellies; but the most striking character is the underjaw almost uniformly projecting beyond the upper; for if the mouth is even they become shark-headed which is considered a bad point. The colours are black, salmon, fallow, brindle, and white, with these various pied; the fallow, salmon and brindle with black muzzles are deemed the most genuine breeds, and the white to posess the most action; There is a strong general resemblance between a brindled Bulldog and the striped hyena.
     
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    THE BULL-DOG.

    "The heroes of a bull-fight, and the champions of a cock-fight, can produce but few, if any, disciples brought up under their tuition, who have done service to their country, but abundant are the testimonies which have been registered at the gallows of her devoted victims, trained up to the pursuits of bull-baiting."—Dr. Barry.

    The bull-dog has been called the most courageous animal in the world. He is low in stature, although remarkably deep-chested, strong, and muscular. From the projection of his under jaw, which occasions his teeth always to be seen, and from his eyes being distant from each other, and somewhat prominent, he has an appearance which would prevent a stranger from attempting any familiarity with him. He is, however, a dog capable of strong attachment to his master, whom he is at all times ready to defend. His strength is so great, that in pinning a bull, one of this breed of dogs has been known, by giving a strong muscular twist of his body, to bring the bull flat on his side. In consequence also of his strength, high courage, and perseverance, a bull-dog has gone a greater distance in swimming than any other dog has been known to do.

    It is universally known amongst the lovers of bull-dogs, that when once exasperated by an opponent or encouraged by the owner, no pain or punishment will induce him to swerve from his purpose, or in the least relax the violence of his endeavours to subdue whatever may be the object of his dislike or resentment. Amidst the many instances which might be adduced in support of this assertion, we shall notice one which is well-authenticated. Some years since, when bull-baiting was more common than in the present improved state of civilization, a juvenile amateur, at an entertainment of this kind in the north of England, confident in the courage and purity of blood in his bull-dog, laid a wager "that he would at four distinct intervals deprive the animal of one of his feet by amputation, and that after every individual deprivation he should still attack the bull with his previous ferocity; and that, lastly, he should continue to do so upon his stumps." Shocking as the recital must prove to the feelings of every reader, the experiment was made, and the dog continued to seize the bull with the same eagerness as before. In a match which was made for the purpose, one of these animals fought and beat two powerful Newfoundland dogs.

    It must be a matter of congratulation to every humane person, that the barbarous and cruel custom of bull-baiting no longer exists in this country. That it tended to brutalize the working classes, whatever its advocates may have stated to the contrary, cannot be doubted. In the part of Staffordshire in which I formerly resided, and where the custom was extremely prevalent, idleness, drunkenness and profligacy, were conspicuous amongst those who kept bull-dogs. Even females might be seen at a bull-baiting, in their working dresses as they came out of a factory, their arms crossed and covered with their aprons, standing to enjoy the sport, if such it could be called.

    The breed of dogs kept by the persons referred to was said to be of the purest kind, and large sums were frequently given for them. Lord Camelford purchased one for eighty guineas; forty and fifty pounds was no uncommon price for one. These dogs would appear to have a natural antipathy to the bull, as puppies will attack them when only a few months old, and if permitted to continue the combat, will suffer themselves to be destroyed rather than relinquish the contest. A well-bred dog always attacks the bull in front, and endeavours to seize on the lip as the most sensitive part.

    A nobleman had a favourite bull-dog, which was his constant companion in his carriage to and from his seat in Scotland for many years. The dog was strongly attached to his master, and was gentle and inoffensive. As he grew old, it was determined to leave him in London. The carriage came to the door, his master entered it, and drove off, taking another dog for his companion. The packing—the preparations—had all been witnessed by the faithful bull-dog, who was evidently aware that he had been deserted by the only being he loved. From that moment he became melancholy. He refused to eat, and notwithstanding all the care taken of him, he pined and died.

    A bull-dog, not many years since, saved a shipwrecked crew by towing a rope from the vessel to the shore, after two fine Newfoundland dogs had perished in the attempt. This success may be attributed to his indomitable courage, which prevented him from giving up his exertions while life remained.

    I remember many years ago hearing of some robberies, which took place by means of a bull-dog in the neighbourhood of London, one of which was near my own residence. A gentleman in riding home one winter's evening, had one of the hocks of his horse seized, as he was trotting along the road, by a bull-dog, who kept his hold, and brought the horse to the ground. A man then came up, and robbed the gentleman of his purse.

    It was common in Staffordshire, before young dogs were able to cope with a bull, to practise them with a man, who stood proxy for the bull. On one occasion of this sort, Mr. Deputy Bull being properly staked, began to perform his part by snorting and roaring lustily. The dog ran at him, but was repulsed,—the courage of the animal, however, increased with every struggle, and at last he seized his biped antagonist by the cheek, who, with rueful countenance, endured it for some time, till at length he was compelled to cry out to his companion to take the dog off; but he, unwilling to damp the courage of his *lève, vociferated, "Woot spoil the pup, mun?—let 'em taste bloode first!"

    Bull-dogs are now much less common than they were. A cross breed between them and a good terrier is said to produce better fighters and harder biters than the pure bull-dog. If one of these dogs is crossed with a greyhound, the offspring is found to be too courageous, and from this cause in attacking deer they have been frequently killed.

    (EDWARD JESSE 1846)
     
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    THE BULLDOG

    The muzzle more or less shortened, the frontal sinus enlarged, and the cranium elevated and diminished in capacity. At the head of this inferior or brutal division of dogs stands THE BULL-DOG. The round, thick head, turned-up nose, and thick and penduious lips of this dog are familiar to all, while his ferocity makes him in the highest degree dangerous. In general he makes a silent although ferocious attack, and the persisting powers of his teeth and jaws enable him to keep his hold against any but the greatest efforts, so that the utmost mischief is likely to ensue as well to the innocent visitor of his domicile as the ferocious intruder. The bull-dog is scarcely capable of any education, and is fitted for nothing but ferocity and combat. The name of this dog is derived from his being too often employed, until a few years ago, in baiting the bull. It was practised by the low and dissolute in many parts of the country. Dogs were bred and trained for the purpose; and, while many of them were injured or destroyed, the head of the bull was lacerated in the most barbarous manner. Nothing can exceed the fury with which the bull-dog rushed on his foe, and the obstinacy with which he maintained his hold. He fastened upon the lip, the muzzle, or the eye, and there he hung in spite of every effort of the bull to free himself from his antagonist. Bull-dogs are not so numerous as they were a few years ago; and every kind-hearted person will rejoice to hear that bull-baiting is now put down by legal authority in every part of the kingdom. THE BULL-TERRIER. This dog is a cross between the bull-dog and the terrier, and is generally superior, both in appearance and value, to either of its progenitors. A second cross considerably lessens the underhanging of the lower jaw, and a third entirely removes it, retaining the spirit and determination of the animal. It forms a steadier friendship than either of them, and the principal objection to it is its love of wanton mischief, and the dangerous irascibility which it occasionally exhibits. (THE DOG. WILLIAM YOUATT 1845)
     
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    THE BULLDOG


    The British Bulldog is a majestic, ancient animal, very scarce, much maligned, and, as a rule, very little understood. If treated with kindness, often noticed, and frequently with his master, he is a quiet and tractable dog; but if kept chained up and little noticed he becomes less sociable and docile, and if excited and made savage he is a most dangerous animal.He is generally an excellent guard, an extraordinary water dog, and very valuable to cross with terriers, pointers, hounds, greyhounds, etc, to give them courage and endurance. He is the boldest and most resolute of animals. The gamecock is a courageous bird, but he will only attack his own species; but there is nothing a good bulldog will not attack, and ever brave and unappalled, with matchless courage he will give up only with life itself. This noble dog becomes degenerate abroad in truth he is a national animal,and is perfectly identified with Old England, and he is a dog of which Englishmen may be proud. (PHILO KUON 1865)
     
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    excellent stuff tigerlines
     
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    Great reads, where do you find so much information?

    Looking back into history it is upsetting that the kennel club has turned the bulldog into what it is today. Not that I dislike the dogs as I know many who are charming little characters and I understand that for some people a slow moving companion is all they need. It is just a shame that they are now not the healthy courageous dog they were originally bred to be.

    The popularity of recreated old tyme bulldog are on the increase in the UK. I met a Victorian Bulldog just the other day, which the owner says it the result of crossings with English bulldog, pit bull terriers and bullmastiffs. Though I doubt she would be much good at baiting bulls.

    Good looking English bull terrier above aswell.
     
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