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APBT blood in "old time" Staffordshire bull terriers

Discussion in 'Staffordshire Bull Terriers' started by JBL, Jan 31, 2014.

  1. kitchener

    kitchener Pup

    Re: APBT blood in "old time" Staffordshire bull terriers

    I'm happy to come across 75-175-year old, primary-source, period documentation no matter who puts forth the effort to cut it and paste it.
     
  2. Limey kennels

    Limey kennels CH Dog

    Re: APBT blood in "old time" Staffordshire bull terriers

    lots of BS and wrong interpetation of history in this topic and a lot of jiberyabber as wel.
     
  3. Smuggler

    Smuggler Pup

    Re: APBT blood in "old time" Staffordshire bull terriers

    Clear your inbox limey,you have mail.
     
  4. Limey kennels

    Limey kennels CH Dog

    Re: APBT blood in "old time" Staffordshire bull terriers

    Emty it iz
     
  5. Dam1985

    Dam1985 Banned

    Re: APBT blood in "old time" Staffordshire bull terriers

    IMO the Pitbull is definitely older than the Staff, form always follows function. Gameness is so hard to find but it is easily lost, the APBT as we know it is the true gladiator dog.
     
  6. Dusty Road

    Dusty Road CH Dog

    Re: APBT blood in "old time" Staffordshire bull terriers

    Both breeds ware pit bull terriers in origin ,,,in UK when kc reg'd them in 1935 they put the name Staffordshire Bull terrier on them ,,,,, in USA they became know as American Pit Bull terrier in 1898 by UKC...and in 1909 by ABDA.... later in 1936 the AKC recognized them as Staffordshire terriers ,,,
     
  7. Dam1985

    Dam1985 Banned

    Re: APBT blood in "old time" Staffordshire bull terriers

    Well of course they were it's just today Staffs are the watered down show version, the same as the Am Staff.
     
  8. Limey kennels

    Limey kennels CH Dog

    Re: APBT blood in "old time" Staffordshire bull terriers

    Ezackly!! The APBT IS the origenal bull+ Terrier as where the sbt and the am staf became a show variety OF the apbt(bull+ Terrier).
    to give some more insight on the history. back in those days where 4 out of 10 kids born died befor there 6th year. These dogs where the ""poor mans racing horses"" MANY A GUY WHO WAS FOOLING AR4OUND WITH THESE DOGS COULD NOT READ NOR WRIGHT. AND BESIDES THE TERRIER BEING USED ON THE BULLDOG TO CREATE THE FIGHTING DOG ,MANY OTHER BREEDS WHERE CROSSED with the bulldogs. every dog that would bring the bacon home being it fighting ore hunting (lurches) was used to breed of. HENSH we see such a great veriety today umongst our breed. and for the better. lots of greyhound in apbt as wel and visa versa . Thats the rezen greyhounds runn ofthen with muzzles on and ore are walkt with a muzzle... resize a greyhound and stick a apbt head on it and there you have it..
    The Irich dogs at first where bred seperatly from the english dogs as both people disliked another. Iven today the Irich genes that ones in a while pup up in the SBT is labeld as a fault. wich is red nose and chokolate umongst others..
    Most SBT people today have no clue as why these colors are not alouwed.....
     
  9. Dam1985

    Dam1985 Banned

    Re: APBT blood in "old time" Staffordshire bull terriers

    The only thing that confuses me is why would people cross to a terrier just for the ability of speed and agility??

    A bulldog can't have been no slouch if it had to deal with Bulls or other wild animals otherwise they wouldn't be able to do that specific job.
     
  10. Limey kennels

    Limey kennels CH Dog

    Re: APBT blood in "old time" Staffordshire bull terriers

    wel this wil come as a sirprize but both breeds and aspecialy the bulldog was labeld as to slow to heavy and to under jawed dog. now the cross was a FAR superior dog then eather the terriers ore Bulldog used.
     
  11. Limey kennels

    Limey kennels CH Dog

    Re: APBT blood in "old time" Staffordshire bull terriers

    ps the only serius thing a bulldog was bred for was to jump at the Bull,s nose and hang on for dear life.............
     
  12. Dam1985

    Dam1985 Banned

    Re: APBT blood in "old time" Staffordshire bull terriers

    I'm sure Bulldogs were used for fighting animals such as Lions too?? Maybe they weren't Bulldogs but Bull and Terrier crosses aka the APBT?? From what I've seen on the drawings the dogs don't appear to have undershot jaws.
     
  13. Dusty Road

    Dusty Road CH Dog

    Re: APBT blood in "old time" Staffordshire bull terriers

    bull bait....kkk.jpg bull bait...!!!.jpg bull bait...qo.jpg bull bait ..h alken ..1.jpg bull bait ..h alken ..2.jpg

    I think prints done at the time of Bull baiting in UK ,,,show dogs who look very like modern APBT in type,,,, if there is terrier added ,,I think it was very little ,,, I will say some of those tiny dogs must have had terrier in them ,,, but under shot mouths ,,,low set kinked tail bug eyes ,,,in bulldogs all came about when Pug was added to make them ugly for dog shows,,, that ware coming into vogue around same time Bull baiting was made illegal , and the KC type bull dogs ware the dogs recognized by the general public as the Bulldog
     
  14. Dam1985

    Dam1985 Banned

    Re: APBT blood in "old time" Staffordshire bull terriers

    Well of course different strains would have different amounts of terrier in them hence the variation that still occurs to this day. Working terriers are pretty game dogs, question is did the pit dog give those terriers the gameness they still carry? Truth is nobody knows for sure.
     
  15. Dusty Road

    Dusty Road CH Dog

    Re: APBT blood in "old time" Staffordshire bull terriers

    game working terriers crossed with APBT ,,turn good enough to go to ground ,,,but lack a lot in gameness to be worked the other way ,,,so its hard to believe there was much terrier added ,,, but maybe in the tiny 15-20lbs dog ... but at same time bullbaiting was made illegal ,,,show ware just about being started ,,,and there was a new dog on the scene being called the Bulldog ,,,,and a new breed called Bullterrier ,,,two new breeds bred for looks / pet / showing ,,,,
     
  16. Dam1985

    Dam1985 Banned

    Re: APBT blood in "old time" Staffordshire bull terriers

    All well and true but I think it's pretty ignorant to think that gameness could only come from one breed, the bullldog?? If what Limey said is true, a Bulldogs job was to just grab and hold onto a Bull then gameness wouldn't really be needed. Maybe true gameness was created more recently in the pit with the bull and terrier crosses??
     
  17. Dusty Road

    Dusty Road CH Dog

    Re: APBT blood in "old time" Staffordshire bull terriers

    well ...I live in country where its often done for digging ,,,they use game bred terrier ,,and when they cross ,,, they get dogs good enough for digging ,,, no good at all the other way ever,,,,
     
  18. Dam1985

    Dam1985 Banned

    Re: APBT blood in "old time" Staffordshire bull terriers

    Let's just say I've done digging and I've had Patterdales over the years and they are plenty game enough trust me without bull being introduced. Wether bull was put in the patterdale from the start is another matter but I've heard Brian Nuttals grandfather did put pit dog in there, what I do know is that the patterdale as kept its gameness over the years without adding bull blood.
     
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  19. Dusty Road

    Dusty Road CH Dog

    Re: APBT blood in "old time" Staffordshire bull terriers

    You should try it then, I know most APBT fanciers would give you huge odds if you bring a half terrier,,,,
     
  20. Dam1985

    Dam1985 Banned

    Re: APBT blood in "old time" Staffordshire bull terriers

    Should try what?? What are you talking about?? A Patterdale is an earth dog, it's been perfected over the years for Fox and Badger, some individuals are too hard for Badger and don't last too long.
     
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