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APBT blood in "old time" Staffordshire bull terriers

Discussion in 'Staffordshire Bull Terriers' started by JBL, Jan 31, 2014.

  1. Limey kennels

    Limey kennels CH Dog

    Re: APBT blood in "old time" Staffordshire bull terriers

    Your a bit off track!!. the 3/4 terrier 1/4 bulldog where the best dogs around and most early dogs that came to the us where white some with brindle. later more colord versions came. here are some aczamples from one of the best books written at that time Stonhenge on the dog from 1849. kop pit.jpg DSCF2379.jpg DSCF2406.jpg DSCF2398.jpg It also shows and discribes a Buldog x greyhound cross!! and the later crosses back to the greyhound. it took 4 breedings back into the greyhound breed for the bulldog to be out. But caracter in the greyhound became mutch better(hens they fight like crazy and ones they start there racing days are over)
    DSCF2373.jpg Now this dog looks like a modern APBT!!! or wat!!!. more so then the bulldog prints you showed us.

    The book also discribes that the cross bulldog x terrier where much better then both breeds on there own!!. and that the 3/4 terrier bulldog cross where the beter ones... Like i said from my own research that has spans for over 35 years. the breed was created with 50% bulldog blood and varius terrier breeds /greyhound. and everyting els that brought the bacon home. DUE to the varius other breeds used they kinda sirprest the FISICAL bulldog aperense in these dogs.

    Afther the blood sports/Bull biting where out lawed bij the king back then in 1830!!. people started to fight more bulldogs umongst echother .altho they did there job to some ecstent.. generatons and generations of selecting on bullbiting brought and produced a slow non spectaculair breed with it. (Deep/Deadgame tho). It was only afther the varius crosses befor and afther the bloodsports ban became realy populair where crossed dogs with the bulldog that dogfighting realy took off!!!.. And for the record the Pug was one of those bulldog crosses!!. it might indeed have been used in the modern day bulldog breed, but it was NOT used to create the origenal bulldog. !!. I can show you apbt so inbred that they look like bulldogs of yesterday. and in the same litter has dogs that rezamble 100% terrier dogs..
     
  2. 12 gauge

    12 gauge CH Dog

    Re: APBT blood in "old time" Staffordshire bull terriers

    as long as any breed including terriers, are proven outside of a box is called grit not gameness
     
  3. Dam1985

    Dam1985 Banned

    Re: APBT blood in "old time" Staffordshire bull terriers

    Don't talk rubbish, earth dogs have taken their deaths just like dogs have in the box.
     
  4. 12 gauge

    12 gauge CH Dog

    Re: APBT blood in "old time" Staffordshire bull terriers

    that is still called grit not gameness
     
  5. Dam1985

    Dam1985 Banned

    Re: APBT blood in "old time" Staffordshire bull terriers

    So basically it's the same thing but you want to call it different, each to their own.
     
  6. mccoypitbulls

    mccoypitbulls Underdog

    Re: APBT blood in "old time" Staffordshire bull terriers

    Thanks for the pics and info Limey.
     
  7. Dusty Road

    Dusty Road CH Dog

    Re: APBT blood in "old time" Staffordshire bull terriers

    DSCF2373.jpg Looks like what it is ,,,if this cross was done in my country it would be called a bull lurcher,,
    images.jpeg here is modern one,,,, if you think crossed a greyhound with bulldogs to fight ,,,they could not pick a worse cross,,,
     
  8. Dusty Road

    Dusty Road CH Dog

    Re: APBT blood in "old time" Staffordshire bull terriers

    About the PUG cross Bulldog ,,,it was done to get the modern Bulldog ,,,its was when Bulldogs got the bad undershot mouths , kinked tail , bug eyes,,,, old type bulldog.jpeg Close up of one of H.Alkens prints of Bullbaiting done at time of legal bullbaiting,
    this type was after Pug was introduced ,,, to exaggerate features for dog show and pets,,, englishbulldog_presentdaybulldog.jpg
     
  9. Dam1985

    Dam1985 Banned

    Re: APBT blood in "old time" Staffordshire bull terriers

    He didn't say Bulldogs were crossed with greyhounds to make them fight, he said Bull was added to Greyhound to add a bit of fire into the Greyhound. Having had Lurchers and Terriers most my life a good 1st cross Bull x Greyhound is a serious animal indeed.
     
  10. Dam1985

    Dam1985 Banned

    Re: APBT blood in "old time" Staffordshire bull terriers

    You do know the original Bulldog is thought to have Greyhound in the breeding don't you??
     
  11. Dusty Road

    Dusty Road CH Dog

    Re: APBT blood in "old time" Staffordshire bull terriers

    No ... you have it backwards ,,, some greyhounds had bulldog added to make them tougher ,,,
     
  12. Dam1985

    Dam1985 Banned

    Re: APBT blood in "old time" Staffordshire bull terriers

    No no no I haven't , the Bulldog is thought to be a mixture of the Alaunt and Greyhound.
     
  13. Limey kennels

    Limey kennels CH Dog

    Re: APBT blood in "old time" Staffordshire bull terriers

    I call a BS on thos one. altho im from the euro contignend i spend lots and lots of my time on the british island. from the eurly 1980.. never heard a Terrier man named grit, but gamenes. and for the record i have seen terrier strains that had to mutch gamennes and cur was bred into them sinply because they took to mutch damage when they whent douwn under...... most of the eurly dogs bred of of nelis where schooled with patterdale terriers. from who i belive are the toughfest sons and bitches pound for pound when it comes to durabilety.
     
  14. Dam1985

    Dam1985 Banned

    Re: APBT blood in "old time" Staffordshire bull terriers

    That is true mate, my uncle lost a Patterdale to a Fox, the Fox had rooted itself under some tree roots and the dog couldn't get to him but the fox could bite back. Once we dug down to him the dog was cold, we tried to bring him around but to no avail. Now the dog could have backed up and come out the hole but the GAME son of a bitch kept pushing forward, if that's not gameness then what is??
     
  15. Limey kennels

    Limey kennels CH Dog

    Re: APBT blood in "old time" Staffordshire bull terriers

    37096.jpg
    NO!! the origenal bulldog ALREDY had undershot moutchs for the simple rezen they could hang on longer on the Bull,s Nose!!!.
    Here is a historicel print dated 1844 of Jem burns with his famouse fighting bulldogs Duches crib and bal al 3 dogs where heavy undershot!!!!
     
  16. Limey kennels

    Limey kennels CH Dog

    Re: APBT blood in "old time" Staffordshire bull terriers

    Aczackly... BUT as i siad everyting that was crossed with a bulldog that would fight and bring the bacon home was used. there are iven today plenty of cross dogs with a apbt who would do the job uptil some ecstend and some go al the way .sure those are the ecseptions rather then the rulle. nevertheless there IS gryhound in the apbt as other breeds. al from those eurly bulldog crosses.
     
  17. Dam1985

    Dam1985 Banned

    Re: APBT blood in "old time" Staffordshire bull terriers

    Dusty Road talks as though the Bulldog appeared out of thin air, the history of dogs really fascinates me because nothing can be proven for certain regarding the APBT.
     
  18. Torresbeag

    Torresbeag Big Dog

    Re: APBT blood in "old time" Staffordshire bull terriers

    Wasn't there analysis of apbt DNA that proved that traces of other breeds were in its DNA.....
     
  19. mccoypitbulls

    mccoypitbulls Underdog

    Re: APBT blood in "old time" Staffordshire bull terriers

    Ding ding ding..
     
  20. Limey kennels

    Limey kennels CH Dog

    Re: APBT blood in "old time" Staffordshire bull terriers

    hahah ding it is Indeed .they have found bulldog bulldog DNA as wel of varius terriers greyhound dalmation iven labrador blood in them!!.. AGAIN for the 10.000,s time EVERYTING and i mean EVERYTING that was crossed with a bulldog that would bring the bacon home was used. SURE the terrier crossses proved to be the best ones with highest %. but there is many a other breed in there.
     

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