Battlecock breeding strategy - would it apply to other species?

The attached article gets into a number of ideas about gamecock breeding. One of the ideas of interest is that of producing an outcrossed battlecock from two inbred lines. If I understand the theory, you create two lines that are inbred, and the result of rigorous culling. Each line has been culled and crafted so that the survivors have the qualities you want. Then you breed the best of these two lines to produce an outcrossed battlecock. This battlecock has the best of the two lines, plus an advantage of heterosis - that it is made vigorous because it is an outcross.

I don't know if this is applicable to dogs, or if anybody is doing it. Due to shorter generations and ease of culling in fowl, it would be easier with them than with dogs.

But it is an interesting read. I think there should be pictures embedded, but I haven't found a version that has pics.



View attachment Battlecock-breeding.pdf

 

do i have to download it.. no virus ?

 

It isn't a web link - it's an attached pdf file. It started as a word document, but I had to convert it to pdf to be able to attach it here. I have never had any viruses from it.

 

battlecock.... HA!!!! lol sorry im not mature enough lol

 

Using this strategy you might end up with a yard full of cocky dogs. lol I guess I'm not either Elibred.

 

thanks for the read F.D i was almost raised around Game fowl. i used to help my uncles on the feeding and watering of them. Game fowl are some of the best looking birds IMO. the techniques that they show are like the that of boxers. the bobbing and weaving, timing and shuffling. some of them have some really good fake outs to throw the other one off. its a sight, i never been in to it like them plus they aren't in the states either. there off in one of the US territories were it is still legal to do and have. i like the sweaters and the greys myself. if you are into them it would be something to take and learn though. I was thinking of buying a few books of game fowl just to read and have. i dont like them too much just because they are so damn loud to have around lol.

 

Ur bout a day late n a doller short homez!

 

i think it would be easier to do with game fowl because you can match at a earlier age and it would also be easier to do because you can have more fowl in a yard than dogs. its also easier to train because you place boxing gloves that cover the spurs to prevent injury and then put the knifes on when they are ready for it. im talking from what i have seen in other places other than the mainland of the U.S..

is that outcross you are talking about similar to what they are doing with that GR CH CROATA? IDK

 

it will work, as long as you come up with two inbreed families that blend well with each other...if you have two lines that complement each other and when you cross them they find that nick, you will get much stronger dogs than when they are line bred or inreed, that would be looking for the hybrid vigor between those two lines and at the same time your gene pool is very controled because both families are inbreed.... its much better or safe to call it like that to mix two inbred families than to just do a ramdom breeding, i couldnt down load the article but i imagine what it talks about, and to answer your question "YES" genetic is the same for a rooster/dog/human or a simple betta fish LOL.... its all the same project just that you will be looking for different traits lol

 

"no homo" that shit is funny, battlecock! lol

elibred, its cause thats the type of humor we got in the southwest

 

I agree they are stunning birds, and I wouldn't mind having some just for looks.

Plus when you need to cull, you also get a meal out of the deal.

 

It does seem like this would work with any species. Keep the inbred lines distinct then outcross for the superior specimen that will be used in a competition.

 

I'm not sure what they are doing with Gr. Ch Croatia (sp?) - is it similar to this?

 

game fowl dont have any good meat on them to eat. you could eat them afterwards, but your not going to get any good meat out of them. they are built differently from your KFC chicken lol. they are alot more hardier and muscled type of bird. they usually nurse the birds back too if they are good and game w/meds. they dont usually die all the time. all i meant by Croata is that he is kind of scattered bred(battle crossed), but they are using the villi blood as an outcross and bringing it back into the the red boy jocko indian bolio stuff of theirs with the breeding being done w/ that dog. i wasnt to sure on what you meant on your question and started yapping about game birds. if your asking about breeding of the APBT they have been inbreeding line breeding, out crossing for a long time (thanks Laced for putting me on track). A game dogs bloodlines can all be traced back to a close similar background eventually right around the 50's more or less. game fowl you have more ways of breeding them because there are different species of them. Greys, reds,orientals, blues, roundheads and so on. becasue of that there are many more ways to cross and make crosses form pure lines. there is only one APBT w/different bloodlines you see what im saying. i wouldnt mind having some either, but you better be far out in the country and little neighbors arround. they are going to see the APBT's and hear Game fowl and start jumping to conclusions. they are some pretty birds no doubt and if i was to get any i would like to get some greys and sweaters only for historical purposes. they are just fucking loud to have arround w/all them rooster sounds they make lol. im happy w/the dogs and they arent as irritating.

 

It doesn't surpise me that game fowl wouldn't be particularly edible. I've never raised birds, and don't plan to. But they are pretty! I've heard chickens and turkeys are the closest thing to a T-Rex still in existence.

 

I don't think I explained this idea very well, and since some people can't open the link, I will summarize, but using famous lines of dogs as an example.

Take the best pure Jocko dogs and linebreed them, using heavy culling, to create a line of Jocko dogs that is more like Jocko than Jocko himself. Simultaneously take the best Redboy dogs, and linebreed them, culling heavily. Create a line that is more like Redboy than Redboy himself.

Then, and only then, cross the best of each line. Take the absolute best one of these F1 crosses. This one, with the benefits of each line, and with the advantage of heterosis, becomes the one that performs extremely well.

 

It makes scientific sense and I know there are folks who breed that way. But it also depends on how the two dogs that are crossed are as producers of course.

 

nature v nuture..........rearing has a hell alot to do with it.

See them rooster your talkin about........the crowing scares younger birds.....theyre better reared out of ear shot of one another.

 

Yes, like how Gotti Razor Edge dogs, if raised on pizza and beer, succeed where other lines have failed.

Hahaha - no, of course rearing is important. Just the right amount of exercise, etc. But if nurture were everything, you wouldn't care about lineage, etc.

I like "battlecocks" in a theoretical sense, but would rather invest my time on dogs and other pursuits. But I do think a game bred rooster is something to behold.

 

the hens are good eating and u get used 2 the nouise i wouldn,t no what 2 do with out them i couldn,t think i even sleep with the tv on