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Bert Sorrells vs. Tatonka Kennels

Discussion in 'APBT Bloodlines' started by sneekypete, Feb 27, 2012.

  1. bamaman

    bamaman GRCH Dog

    I got a dog now from Joanie..my dog isnt black and tan but his father is..I like my boy pretty well ..not sayin he is a combat dog either.
     
  2. Laced Wit Game

    Laced Wit Game Yard Boy

    Nor cal? Buddy u got good dogs closer to you than fla!
     
  3. olddog

    olddog Big Dog

    Had a dog off of Shylo's Mutbone (ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [27017] :: SHYLO'S MUTBONE) bred to Wise's Susie (Divine's Duce X Wise's Massey) called Zanto's Blacksmith.
    He was a fun dog. Wish I had bought his mom and started a line for myself off the two of them.

    Olddog
     
  4. rroscoe

    rroscoe Lightner Hemphill / Colby

    The black and tan On Tatonka's ad in new adba issue ..shows a dog jumping for a rope has a 'rotty pattern' ..You can't get that from some old blood that never had that ...seems everyone can over look what is in front of your face... if a guy comes to my house and He has kinky hair,big lips ,tan skin he can tell me he's Swedish if he wants but....
     
  5. Madusa

    Madusa CH Dog

    So you are saying that coloration never existed in the APBT? You really ought to do some more research if that is what you are implying...........
     
  6. rroscoe

    rroscoe Lightner Hemphill / Colby

    I.m saying The pattern was never seen ,the colors maybe a few 80 years back and breed down to nothing will never become dominate again without help and an out breed period ..What someone waved a magic wand and suddenly everything changed ... walks like a duck looks like duck flys... but it's dog cause I promise these are the papers ..Go look at the ad if we go by what your saying those blue stumps evryone is breeding are pitbulls ,because they sure have papers
     
  7. bamaman

    bamaman GRCH Dog

    so when u say outbreeding you actually mean outcross right?
     
  8. rroscoe

    rroscoe Lightner Hemphill / Colby

    I mean to rotty not a pit
     
  9. bamaman

    bamaman GRCH Dog

    Nope you wrong about that ,I own one from her and I can tell you thier is no rotti in it.And from what I been told the black and tan gene has to be present in both parents to produce black and tans.Now i dont no shit about color genetics...But how did she breed a rotti to a pit who didnt carry the black and tan gene and produce black and tans?
     
  10. rroscoe

    rroscoe Lightner Hemphill / Colby

    With a black pit will throw 75 to 25 % chance of black and tan.. And anyone who owns one will disagree I'm sure ..I guess when they walk in fast company then you see I'm waiting to hear
     
  11. rroscoe

    rroscoe Lightner Hemphill / Colby

    Or say a tan pit to a black and tan rotty the mix is on then breed those to a black pit or tan pit or inbreed or line breed pretty simple Dogs have a weird "quick adapt type gene " I'm not smart seen in on the 'science channel'
     
  12. sadieblues

    sadieblues CH Dog

    Did you not read that post where Cynthia Posted the read up on the Black and Tan genetic explanation and where it comes from? She also posted a colby tan and black tri from years ago it puts the rotti mix BS to rest. It's a color pattern and banaman you are correct BOTH parents have to be physical carriers of that particular gene in order for it to be expressed in the offspring it's recessive just like the color blue is a recessive gene. The parent's don't have to be Tri's themselves but they have to carry that particular gene for it to show in the offspring.


    A dog needs to inherit two copies of the tan-point gene to be a black & tan. If a pup inherits one copy of the gene and one copy of the dominant yellow gene, which causes a red or buckskin coloration, then the dog will be red or buckskin, not black and tan. If the dog inherits one copy of the tan-point gene and one of the dominant black gene, the result will be a solid black dog. because of the recessive nature of the tan-point gene, it can actually remain hidden in the gene pool for many generations without expressing itself.
     
  13. bamaman

    bamaman GRCH Dog

    So if your correct every time someone breeds to blacks together thier is a greater chance of producing black and tans,so where are they?Joanie had a litter a couple months ago that produced 2 rednose pups and she doesnt have one rednose on her yard ,so what did she mix in to get that?I am not saying the lady isnt breeding for black and tans ,I dont know the answer to that only she does.But I do think its possible at some point after a outcross a black and tan throwback from somewhere way back popped up and she kept it.Now why did she keep it?I dont know,but not every dog on her yard is black and tan so its not like she is keepin only black and tan dogs.I do know I dont believe she is crazy enough to fuck up a entire family of dogs by adding rotti.
     
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  14. Madusa

    Madusa CH Dog

    You really ought to know what you are talking about before you post and make yourself look foolish. The black and tan pattern can be seen all the way back to the turn of the century and even before. The Colby's had dogs with the exact same pattern in the late 1800's. It has nothing to do with who owns what it has to do with educating yourself to genetics and breeding patterns. You are also wrong in the fact that it has become a dominant color trait with any particular line, there are far more red and buckskin Sorrells dogs than there are black and tan.
     
  15. Madusa

    Madusa CH Dog

    Also would like to add that it does definitely take a double recessive breeding (both parents have to carry the recessive gene) to produce the pattern.
     
  16. sadieblues

    sadieblues CH Dog

    2 tri color dogs can only produce tri color offspring so if she were breeding for color it wouldn't be hard to produce an entire kennel full of tri color dogs if that was her goal. I have looked at this kennel before and they have a variety of colors on the yard so I wouldn't say they were breeding for black and tan tri's only. The bottom line is the color exists in the APBT gene pools and if the dogs being bred are carriers of the gene it doesn't matter whose yard they are on they can produce black and tan offspring. The gene can remain hidden and expressed later as Ed Faron had stated in that article Cynthia Posted.
     
  17. sadieblues

    sadieblues CH Dog

    Yes x 2 lol
     
  18. crimsonghost

    crimsonghost Top Dog

    Sadie 2 tris can also produce white,white with black spots or cow patched dogs. When wr bred thera she had a stillborn pup. That was white with a black eye and she was bred to a tri.
     
  19. sadieblues

    sadieblues CH Dog

    Well I stand corrected than.. :) Most tri's I have seen being bred to another tri have produced all tri colored pups I assumed it was because of the recessive nature of the gene. But I am not a breeder so I have never attempted it myself lol. Thanks for the info CG...
     
  20. TripleJ

    TripleJ CH Dog

    This is all ready been talked about this year we should onley enertaine this kind of foolishness one time a year. Ther aint no Friggin Rottie in those dogs. Really guys wake the hell up. Do you think that any of the big time breeders would chance that bullshit. Come on Name ONE good thing it would do for a game dog to be crossed with a rott, These breeders that these little rumors get started are the Bigger kennels yall are talking about, like the wild side dog. or Tatonka get the hell out of here with that shit, dont start crap about something you know not a damn thing about, keep you thoughts to your self on that shit These are real breeders that still sell dogs to the public, Yall better be happy they will. Yall keep it up they may just throw up there hands and say screw it. Now get back to the topic. and dont be slandering one of the few breeders a green ass can still get a dog from.
     

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