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Bobby Hall

Discussion in 'APBT History' started by realonebulldog, Jan 13, 2007.

  1. Would like to know what people think about this Bulldog-Breeder. I heard many different opinions about the Bullyson-Dog and about the line from Bobby Hall so I wonder what people on here think....
     
  2. ABK

    ABK Rest In Peace

    For what it's worth, I haven't heard one good thing about him.

    As for hsi dogs, some ppl like them, some don't. But if you get a good one you'll never know how it's bred since this man hangs papers like an old country woman hangs laundry. A lot of ppl say this doesn't matter, but why buy from a liar? Plus, he has been known to sell pit mixes as pure.

    Hope this helps.
     
  3. MTNDOG

    MTNDOG Big Dog

    Alot of the stuff said like he sells pit mixes as pure is just here say. He has good dogs, and ask anyone who has bought and used his dogs and they will likely say the same thing. He has hung papers but most people do know how they are bred. His character is questionable, but his dogs are good.
     
  4. ABK

    ABK Rest In Peace

    Did you ever consider that those things are out there about him b/c they *might* be true?

    As for good dogs, this is a good dog ...? This is a dog bred & owned by BH. Notice his deformed front limbs.

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    Here's another one for you, heavy Hall breeding ....

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    And yet another, pure Hall dog bred by BH ... not as severely affected but still notice the bowing of the legs & twisting out of the front paws.

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    As you can see, these dogs have a genetic deformity of his front legs that would keep them from being working dogs. And I have seen other Hall dogs affected like this, some worse!

    Now, before anyone says anything - yes - some BH dogs are not affected by this defect & they have straight, sound legs. But they can be carriers of the defect.

    Furthermore, one of the most severely affected Hall dogs I saw was not owned by BH. So it could be that not only is his line producing defects, he may be SELLING those defective dogs as well!

    And yes, I will concede that there have been pit winners from BH. But if you are looking at %s, throw in all the dogs he produces that can't preform b/c they are deformed, as well as count in the number of straight legged curs & cold dogs ... let it suffice to say if one wanted Bullyson dogs they could find healthy dogs w/ correct papers & just as much (if not more) Bullyson blood in them some where else.

    So let's break it down:

    - His line carries a genetic defect

    - He hangs papers

    - He is of questionable character

    Why even buy from this guy??

    JMHO ...
     
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  5. I Think Abk Hit The Nail On The Head, The Pics Dont Lie
     
  6. mikefromMD

    mikefromMD Top Dog

    ABK: Not to dispute your claims but can show us all some type of proof that those dogs were sold by Hall?? Thanks
     
  7. TripleJ

    TripleJ CH Dog

    I never understood why some tight bullyson dogs look like that I have some very tight line and in bred Bullyson stock and they all have straight legs and good wind. The first time I saw the bowleg stuff it was a litter of dogs that were lary curly and moe and a bitch called bandaid they were tight cowboy and they came out like that but all my breedings throw straight legs and all around very good looks. I am not sure what strain makes that but a lot of hall dogs look that way. One thing I can say the dogs I seen out of the larry curly moe litter could bite unreal and had very good wind more than you would think and could realy dance of course that was 20 years ago and I just kinda brushed them off and underestameted them but the turned out to be hell on paws (cant say legs they were to short to call them legs LOL) As far as hall dogs Ive seen some stuff of Mis boobs that would turn your head but thats about it. YIS J
     
  8. ABK

    ABK Rest In Peace

    The 1st pup, is called Hall's Tractor Trailer & he is on BH's website.

    The 2nd dog (red) may or may not not be from Hall. Here is his ped:

    http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=191039

    Here is a ped on the 3rd dog (buckskin) who is from Hall:

    http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=174875

    So we know at least 2 out of the 3 dogs are from BH & it is likely all 3 are. But even if a particular dog doesn't come from BH himself if it's still heavy Hall bred & would still be representatives of what he puts out.

    For example, if I got 2 dogs from BH, bred them together & got a litter of pups who had deformaties, that would still be indicitive of a defect in the line, even if I bred them & not BH.

    I wish I could find that pic I saw of the most severely affected dog. I know a few ppl on here have seen the pic too. It was BH bred & the owner was proud as punch of the dog, but it looked like it had the front legs & paws of a sea lion's!
     
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  9. MTNDOG

    MTNDOG Big Dog

    I never said these dogs were good conformation show dogs..LOL. If you've never seen a good dog with bad conformation, then I doubt you seen many dogs..Really to each his own, I don't like the builds on those top two pics you showed, but I could post pics of dogs that don't show any of these deformities..What does that prove?? Nothing..I would like to add that this is not my line of choice, but I have had a couple over the years and always will. I did not get them from bobby either..You may have had a different experience with these dogs than I have, but the ones I have around now I like..Take care.
     
  10. Hmmm.....I thought he is a good Texas-Bulldogger. What is that with the deformed front legs...soft bones or what? Bred to close withoud some other blood? But you said he crosses other stuff in so that cant be the case. I saw his site and he has some very good looking dogs......you know him realy;, so you are able to judge his character?
     
  11. Scotsman

    Scotsman Top Dog

    Are you looking for a Bullyson dog or a BH dog? For Bullyson dogs I think that the Ramsey stuff was pretty good, not sure if it is still around, but I've seen some good stuff from Ramsey's Arty.
    I've seen some good BH dogs years ago and was pretty impressed by them. I actually thought about getting one from him, but got turned off after talking to him on the phone (this was about 4yrs ago).
     
  12. Caos

    Caos CH Dog

    a friend of mine purchase some of BH and his happy with them.
     
  13. rallyracer

    rallyracer CH Dog

    hes been breeding for the money since at least the 80's...first bulldog breeder i had seen to use head size as a selling point:rolleyes:
     
  14. rallyracer

    rallyracer CH Dog

    ohh, and here is the add-from may of 1985...

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  15. ABK

    ABK Rest In Peace

    Just like anything, there are good & bad in every line & I'm sure there are some folks out there who got dogs from BH or have BH bred dogs & they love them. But after hearing what I've heard & seeing the pics of some of the dogs he puts out, if I wanted Bullyson blood, I myself would go elsewhere. But that is just me.
     
  16. gh32

    gh32 CH Dog

    Yeah,I was surprised to see he mentioned head size.I never could figure out the big deal about head size anyway.
     
  17. crazycooter

    crazycooter Top Dog

    the only reason i could think of them talking about head size is the bigger the head the bigger the mouth? maybe i have no clue
     
  18. Zoe

    Zoe CH Dog

    Strangely enough, I watched a show on that concept! lol Was it on Mythbusters or something? Gaud.. I can't remember, but essentially they were comparing different dogs and their bite strength and that's the basic conclusion they came to. The bigger the head, the stronger the bite. It wasn't a very good test as far as how many dogs they tested. I think they tried a few different breeds but it was only one example from each of the breeds they tried so I don't know how accurate it is. I've got a boy with a huge head, and he is honestly the ONLY dog I've had to STRUGGLE with to get him off the spring pole WITH a breaking stick. lol His bite is so strong he crushed one of those boomer balls with one bite. No joke. Those buster cubes, too, that are HARD plastic.... took him no time at all to destroy, first time I gave it to him.
     
  19. gh32

    gh32 CH Dog

    I've seen a show or two on TV,I even think I seen the Mythbusters episode about bite tests.The tests seem pretty flawed.How would they know if their animal was giving it 100% or not and then it was just based on one animal of each breed or species or whatever.
     

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