Bull blooded Patterdale Terriers!

I think archie was used by someone in the states-I.M.O one would want to be very fussy in their choice of parents in this cross i.e using a pitbull that was a very smart fighter rather than a super hard mouthed one(as if the pups come small enough for earthwork,they will only inherit a limited amount of the pitbull parents mouth anyway).Personally id prefer a russell type x pitbull as patterdales are hard and game enough as it is.

 

There's a guy- A Renteria, associated with J+J Patterdale Terriers(USA)who breeds Patterdale x Pitbull Terriers and calls them Pitter-Pats.

 

if you cross a patterdale with a poodle and a shittsoo,
you could call it a patterdoodloo

 

HAHA, If you cross a bulldog with a shitsoo you get a-Bullshitsoo

 

JRT X EBT 25lbs of HELLFIRE

 

lol thats a cracker like a minie english bull.how old still looks young kind.

 

I like the look of this one.

 

I don't know about that but I do know the first staff he bred too was a little kc white and brin patched bitch that was worked to ground and he got her of a friend of a friend and I seen pic's of the said dog at the chaps house and was also shown pic's of the same dog by wheeler.Was told by some lads in wales that worked wheeler's dogs for him that they were very hard but if they could not get their own way or on long digs they would come off.must of been true because 12 months latter wheeler came to look at a gouldxbull I was selling to cross into his line but he thought the dog was to big for him.His loss the dog turned out to be one of the best dog's I ever owned he worked mute killed everthing in front of him and once stuck for 18 hours.

 

thanks, she's two years old and fully grown. She and I plan on destroying some coons this winter

 

Saw one of the half x working last season only time ive seen one, hard as concrete but big. would like to see the result if she was put back to a small black dog

 

Nice.I bet she will destroy vermin.A powerhouse!

 

Before Nuttall,Booth,Gould etc put bull blood into Patterdale terriers this is how the Patterdale/fell terrier looked like

 

Now people call this type of dog a Patterdale Terrier.Its a cross between a Staffordshire bull and a Patterdale terrier.To me this is a straight BULL+TERRIER and should be called so,not a Patterdale,which was the point of this thread.Whats your opinions?

 

what can bull blood add to an earth dog?
slightly tougher and thicker skinned etc but also very hard headed and as said most would be pretty big.

 

u know whats funny, not long ago i said in this foru mthat bull was added to give stronger head and bones..

then i went back to re-read david harcombe's latest book and he says they added gameness

soooo... whats the truth

the book working them hard treat them like heroes

 

I think it is very important to make an outcross sometimes.
An outcross fresh up the genetic and you have more energetic in the offspring.
The bull blood is a good choice for an outcross, because the offspring don't lacks gameness, and the genetic freshs up more as if you make it with an other earth dog.

But don't get me wrong, my mainway is line-breeding.
I would only make an outcross if the line really needs it. The F1 generation is not that what I want.

 

seen some patts that look better staffs than 95% of the kc shit thats around today there is a use nowadays for the harder headed muter dog as we got the locators now but back in the day before me we needed them to let us know where they were so a mute dog would be useless i like them type but much prefer the lakier fell type stamp of dog got a young russel pup now he very much looks like a small lakey x russel in the face anyway to me he a little corker

 

but why not just out-cross to another line of patterdales?
a line which had what your dogs lacked.

 

Sorry fella, I live in Ireland and have worked black dogs for years, bull blood imo does not benefit black dogs in any way whatsoever. These dogs are not meant to be gamedogs, they are for finding ground dwelling mammals and giving tongue to let you know they have located quarry and where they are, they are not meant to be game. The pic you have posted looks nothing like the black dogs we work, I've read through your posts on "patterdales" or black dogs as we refer to them and quite frankly you seem to know little or nothing about them. Not looking for an argument just stating an opinion.

 

The genetic of 2 different lines is more similar than the genetic of an other breed.
It's a question of what you have, and what you want.
If you like very tight line breeding, it's better to fresh up the genetic with an other breed.
I don't think that a bull-cross makes a better earth worker, but it freshs up the genetic pool very well. And you don't have to be afraid to loose the most important thing, ...gameness. Also you don't lost mouth and power.
If you continue the tight line breeding after the bull-cross, the earth worker qualities are coming back very fast. And you have more energetic in the next generations.