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Bulldog bloodlines in UK Lurchers?

Discussion in 'APBT Bloodlines' started by CockneyRebel, Aug 12, 2019.

  1. CockneyRebel

    CockneyRebel Big Dog

    Since the 80's the bull cross lurchers have become the most popular lurcher cross throughout the UK especially for quarry that bites back.

    Truth be told though there is more junk out there than good, I should imagine in the early days that the bulldogs used were of much better quality than today.

    Now I know most serious dog men of the past wouldn't waste their time breeding thier dogs to greyhounds and such but I know it did happen.

    My question is does anyone know of any good dogs or lines that helped create some of these working lurchers.
     
  2. Lrs

    Lrs Big Dog

    Why bother with top of the line apbt for crossing into running dogs? To much cost involved for most lurcher men. Plus you don’t need much from the apbt to get a running dog to do the job on Charlie.
     
  3. CockneyRebel

    CockneyRebel Big Dog

    That doesn't happen this day and age but I've heard that back in the early days useful Bulldogs were used, and the better the dogs the more chance you have of breeding good dogs.
     
  4. CockneyRebel

    CockneyRebel Big Dog

    I think a Reid dog called Max sired a well known dog in the lurcher world called Pie, don't know if it was the Scotsman's Max though but he did do lurcher work.
     
  5. oldguy

    oldguy Top Dog

    If Scotsman's Max wasn't bred to a greyhound I'd be surprised, If Hagar or Yogi wasn't bred to one, I'd probably die of shock! A lot of first generation Bull/Greyhounds were bred in the north, personally I got no interest in them, would cull a bulldog before I'd breed a lurcher (or breed to one) but each to their own.. I heard people who run them dogs still seek out lurcher descendants of this dog, not sure if it's blarney, but that's what I heard!
    http://apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=364592
     
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  6. CockneyRebel

    CockneyRebel Big Dog

    That dog looks ideal to use as a lurcher cross, long in the leg and I'm guessing of the right minerals.
     
  7. oldguy

    oldguy Top Dog

    That was a bulldog alright mate! Reason I bred to him!
     
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  8. mccoypitbulls

    mccoypitbulls Underdog

    Here in the states the cross are called whippits. They are used for coyotes.
    Saluki dogs and crosses are also great for this type of work.
     
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  9. CockneyRebel

    CockneyRebel Big Dog

    The cross is massive over here for lurcher work, there's a lot more shit out there though these days.
     
  10. reids skipper

    reids skipper Top Dog

    My pal has a real good first cross .. the father was a dog out of ben x my bitch ... tight montana x bash bred
     
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  11. reids skipper

    reids skipper Top Dog

    The mother was a coursing greyhound
     
  12. reids skipper

    reids skipper Top Dog

    I always thought them skipper / max dogs would be great to be used in a bull cross
     
  13. reids skipper

    reids skipper Top Dog

    I had a lurcher bred down from shane years ago ...shane was said to be a real good one ... i heard he was bred down from copper ?
     
  14. CockneyRebel

    CockneyRebel Big Dog

    You'd think so with the wind on them.
     
  15. CockneyRebel

    CockneyRebel Big Dog

    I don't know why but a lot of dog lads like to put a greyhound over the bulk instead of the other way round. What size was your pals bulldog that was put over the greyhound?
     
  16. Stevieg

    Stevieg Pup

    Trouble with bull crosses for lurcher work is too many are hard mouth most are disobedient and with first crosses too much litter wastage as a lot tend to be too small and favour the bulldog
     
  17. palooka

    palooka Premium Member Premium Member

    theres been plenty of good apbt s bred to greyhounds, the cost of a service isnt expensive to a greyhound, half crosses mostly used as hole enders, as running dogs ive seen very few good ones, taking foxes is more about having a knack for it ( taking the right hold) rather than brute force.
     
  18. CockneyRebel

    CockneyRebel Big Dog

    That's why the method of putting a greyhound over a bulldog is preferred, apparently they are more typey than putting a bulldog over a greyhound.
     
  19. CockneyRebel

    CockneyRebel Big Dog

    It's not that, they have to be fast enough to catch foxes. Some first crosses can be quite slow and that's no good if you're after fox.
     
  20. I recall this black and tan I think his name was ch butcher or something bred into those patterdales old limey stuff

    I do recall judas was bred into patterdales and lurchers from the old man scholten many were send to USA on paper he was called rocky
     

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