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Bulldog or not?

Discussion in 'Breeder Discussion' started by LatinoLingo, Oct 8, 2016.

  1. A couple of days ago I watched the UFC. After the fight Fili vs. Dias, Andre Fili said something interesting. He pointed out: "I just wanna go home to my bulldog puppy and eat a piece of Pizza."

    What does he mean with "bulldog" puppy? I thought that a Pit Bull is a "bulldog", but a gamebred fighting (Pit Bull) dog. But I don't think that Mr. Fili would say in TV "hey guys, I have a fighting dog". So, what does "bulldog" mean in the USA?

    I have another question… I talked with a few Pit Bull breeder. Everybody said: "a real Pit is healthy, intelligence, game and obedience". But how is it possible to find a game Pitbull? Some people claimed that they buy proven dogs from Mexico, because dog fighting is still legal in Mexico. And how does a breeder know the dog is healthy? How does they know the dog is obedience?
     
  2. bamaman

    bamaman GRCH Dog

    The meaning lies behind the man who said it.If a man doesn't own or know anything about the APBT then him saying bulldog has no meaning to a dog man.
     
  3. So, do you think Andre said it just because it sounds "cool"? Or maybe he did not want to say "Pit Bull" in TV. Who knows.. anythay. Thank you for the quick replay.

    Waht do you think about the Mexico-Import-Thing?
     
  4. Hello?
     
  5. bamaman

    bamaman GRCH Dog

    What is the Mexico import thing ?
     
  6. The Mexico-Import-Thing is: To go to Mexico and buy a real Bulldog, because in Mexico Dog Fighting is still legal.

    Is that true? Is that a good way to get your hands on a real APBT/Bulldog?
     
  7. bamaman

    bamaman GRCH Dog

    Maybe a good way to get kidnapped .I wouldnt go beeboppin thru Mexico looking for bulldogs unless you know people.Good dogs are where you find them.
     
  8. True words... How do you call your dog? Bulldog or APBT? You have an APBT, right? :D
     
  9. Box Bulldog

    Box Bulldog Premium Member Premium Member

    He probably is referring to a English Bulldog. Most people that are not truly into the dogs call all staff/APBT types pit bulls even if blue and English bulldogs bulldogs. My self I call all them all by proper names Staffordshire bull terrier/bull terrier/American Staffordshire/American Bully and I call true game dogs pit bulldogs. If your dog is not animal aggressive it is not a pit bulldog in my books its like having a retriever that wont retrieve. Most of the so called pit bulls are american staffs that were bred for show not for the box. Same goes for the size there's a lot of idiots out there saying they have a 130lb or even bigger pit bull. Sorry but no maybe a lean 60lbs you cant breed a american staff with a mastiff crop its ears and say I got a 130lb pitbull more like a 130lb slobbery clumsy cur mutt.
     
  10. Box Bulldog

    Box Bulldog Premium Member Premium Member

    There are tons of good dogs around you don't have to go to Mexico. You can not buy a pup and expect it to be truly game. Just because two game dogs were bred doesn't mean every single pup off them is going to be game to the core of gamness. A dog needs to be close to two years old to tell if it is truly game. There is a lot of good blood out there from healthy good dogs.
     
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  11. I know my friend, I know. But it is hard to find them. But I will keep on searching.
     
  12. Box Bulldog

    Box Bulldog Premium Member Premium Member

    Here is idea for you. Find a bloodline and breeder that you are fond of. And ask the guys on this forum what there thoughts are on the blood and breeder and make your own choice after getting some opinions.
     
  13. steinlin

    steinlin Premium Member Premium Member

    * I beg to differ my friend, thru my experience I have seen many non-aggressive dogs that were very good and on the other hand, seen lots that were very aggressive and no good. Animal aggression has absolutely nothing to do with whether the dog is a real pit bulldog or not!
    Having a Retriever that won't retrieve does not make him any less a retriever...if the owner does not know how to properly enhance the traits.
    * Most of the so-called pit bulls are actually American Pit Bulls that were bred for show, not the box..(American Staffordshire Terriers are still being shown and are still called by the same name.)
    * Why can't you call a 130 lb dog a pit bull? I've seen some BIG bulldogs that were very nice, but had nothing to be competative with.
    Anyway, who's going to try and prove him wrong, some other idiot? LOL
     
  14. Box Bulldog

    Box Bulldog Premium Member Premium Member

    I am not sure how you consider a pit bulldog that is not dog aggressive a good pit bulldog? They have been bred for this and this only for last 150 years or more they were not bred for looks or color only performance and gameness in the box fighting is in the blood just like retrieving for a retriever is in the blood. You don't have to force a fighting dog to fight or a retriever to retrieve it is installed in them. American pitbull terrier and american staffordshire are not the same breed and have not been for 80years. A American pitbull terrier is a small athletic dog 30-60lbs male 25-50 for a female thats in good shape max. A American staffordshire is a much thicker dog with a bigger head built more like a weight lifter while a american pitbull terrier is built like a light weight boxer. I think are referring to all bully breed type dogs as pit bulls but this is not the case. Here is a image of a american staff and a american pitbull terrier.

    images (2).jpg GR-CH-GRIP-495x400.jpg
     
  15. steinlin

    steinlin Premium Member Premium Member

    I am not sure how you consider a pit bulldog that is not dog aggressive a good pit bulldog?
    (You said ANIMAL aggressive, now you say dog aggressive...not that it matters) I wouldn't have said it, if I hadn't experienced it first hand.
    They have been bred for this and this only for last 150 years or more
    You say "They have been bred for 'THIS' and 'this' only? Are you saying they have been bred for aggression for 150 years??
    They were not bred for looks or color (or aggression) only performance and gameness in the box fighting is in the blood just like retrieving for a retriever is in the blood. You don't have to force a fighting dog to fight (you can't force any animal to do what it doesn't want to, what about all the ones that won't fight for various reasons?) or a retriever to retrieve it is installed in them.
    If you don't know what you are doing, you could easily ruin a dog and it's installation...lol
    American pitbull terrier and american staffordshire are not the same breed and have not been for 80years. A American pitbull terrier is a small athletic dog 30-60lbs male 25-50 for a female thats in good shape max. A American staffordshire is a much thicker dog with a bigger head built more like a weight lifter while a american pitbull terrier is built like a light weight boxer.
    I don't know why you presume that because I disagree with you, that I need a history lesson or breed info?
    I'm not here to listen to your babbling about what you think is a 'real' bulldog..I wondered about your 'aggression' statement is all...roflmao

    I think are referring to all bully breed type dogs as pit bulls NO I AM NOT!! but this is not the case. Here is a image (Oh Gawd..lol) of a american staff and a american pitbull terrier.
    Nevermind
     
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  16. bamaman

    bamaman GRCH Dog

    Dog Agression is pretty common in this breed .Always a exception to the rule.Ive never known any dog man that culled because a dog was dog agressive so yes the trait is there.
     
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  17. treezpitz

    treezpitz CH Dog Staff Member

    Dog fighting is illegal in Mexico too. Not enforced like it is here but still illegal.
     
  18. Saiyagin

    Saiyagin Chihuahua Premium Member

    What Steiny is saying is that Aggression and Gameness are two different things as one does not have to be very dog aggressive to be game.
     
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  19. Box Bulldog

    Box Bulldog Premium Member Premium Member

    Well I am sorry for wasting my time. If you think game dogs are not animal aggressive that's fine. I find it strange why a dog would come out of his corner to start if it didn't have animal aggression. Also its strange that a game dog will chase a cat on a catmill for hours on end if he wasn't animal aggressive. And American Staffs are not the same breed as a APBT they may have been the same a very long time ago but they are not anymore. Lots of staffs are blue APBT are not there built different as well as a lot of other things make them different. But what ever you want to think I could care less I just was trying to inform you on what a REAL american pit bulldog is. And about the size how many match reports have you read of dogs over 65lbs never mind 100+? plumbers Aligator was a very big dog and he was matched at 57-58lbs and thats about as big as they get.
     
  20. Robertosilva

    Robertosilva CH Dog

    Not all gamedogs in the past have been fight crazy with every dog they meet. Some famous dogs have been able to live with other dogs and get along, that knew when to turn it on when they needed to in the square Dog agression doesn't mean a dog is game and there have been exceptions to the rule that APBT's all have to be kept separate. Obviously there is a reason that dogs are kept chained and away from each other and have to be separated at a young age. A pit dog is a pit dog regardless of size and breed standards. You're not going to get a pure bred APBT that weighs anywhere near 100lbs in condition but you may get dogs that are successful pit dogs of this size from crosses.

    At the end of the day the average Game bred APBT is not gonna be a good choice for the dog park, but that doesn't mean there are not one's out there that are passive and not looking for trouble or even won't fight at all under any circumstance.

    Anyways we already no all this.
     

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