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C. & C.'s CH Sony from Holland ?

Discussion in 'APBT History' started by vagabond, Nov 22, 2009.

  1. Limey kennels

    Limey kennels CH Dog

  2. Cuprija Boy

    Cuprija Boy Big Dog

  3. Limey kennels

    Limey kennels CH Dog

    Re: C. & C.'s CH Sony from Holland ?

    Cupria boy couple of hours ago when i talkt to STB he mention to me that the country boys NEVER sold pure bred dogs. but i gues they might have when they whent out of the dogs. if you tel me about a very ugly bukskin small loking bitch then there is a great posibilety its a pure one!!!!!!.
    The only black dogs they used to have where from there first bloodline they had .
    that was country boys jack and his son jake an tru a daughter of loposays Buster called country boys missy, Missy was a awesome looking bitch she was a hard mouthed bitch to .
    the Jack blood was bred douwn from Reid skipper rom blood... this blood was from the eurly 80,s.
    anyway im going to ask STB if can dig up some old pictures of them dogs.
    i do hase some old pictures of te loposay buster x ried skipper stubelfield buddy famely they had.
    also the dragon famely(witch was a kennel formed bij a groop of dogman from my touwn) used to have a couple of them black coutry boy dogs...
     
  4. Limey kennels

    Limey kennels CH Dog

    Re: C. & C.'s CH Sony from Holland ?

    Bloodline 74 no problem my spelling is as bad hahaha.
    the ped you just put up is incorect. its a son of rebel kennels grch Sandman bred on Ventje,s mother Ugly, these littermates where bred together and thats how Yankee is bred.
     
  5. vagabond

    vagabond Pup

  6. Re: C. & C.'s CH Sony from Holland ?

    you're right I was careless ;)

    "its a son of rebel kennels grch Sandman bred on Ventje,s mother Ugly"
     
  7. Cuprija Boy

    Cuprija Boy Big Dog

    Re: C. & C.'s CH Sony from Holland ?

    Yes,Ugly is small bitch 14-16kg,bikskin,bek legs is laike rabit..rahitis bitch.
    Bat ugly is very,very good in 4X4!
    Otto greck,go to contry boys kennels,and take Ugly bay force!
    Rusian gay go with Otto,caled Naumov....
    Dis story is tell bu main frend Taci,otto give Taci Ugly laike gift.
     
  8. Limey kennels

    Limey kennels CH Dog

    Re: C. & C.'s CH Sony from Holland ?

    Cuprica boy i finnaly found somebody who spells worcer then i do !! i like you and love you man ahhahahah. Never ever heard that anybody took a bitch from the country boys bij force!! if that is what you mean!!, but the way you discribe her the yes she must have been a pure bred.

    these dogs where bred WAY past the ordenary pure ness most people ever dream or i shoud say DEAR of breeding them, often you need a double cross breeding with a inbred dog of another bloodline to sif that out ,ore get the dogs literly straigt again.Nice thing about those dogs was that they where inbred on a rediculess good foundation so up close of some of the very best carver dogs, and iven tho these dogs had a 28 l out of 32 shows, the country boys had a awesome ad in a magazine.. and i quote."" Big dogs, Small dogs , house dogs ,guard dogs , hunting dogs, winning dogs, loosing dogs""
    .............................................. WE JUST LIKE THEM GAME............................................................................
     
  9. doginhold

    doginhold Top Dog

    Re: C. & C.'s CH Sony from Holland ?

    Limey! What about that country boys stuff???? Is there still someone who´s running their stuff tight?????
    (Yankee is a legend in YU and he also kicked ass of Rebel´s Muggs at a quite old age! Just as a side note.)
    Always liked them to some degree.......
    Haven´t much to do with other peoples within the last years as I was mainly focused on other things than the who is who within the dog world even I still keep some dogs.

    You said you haven´t been that impressed by Mad Max that was sold to S. Leskovar but he did a tremendous job as a producer, f. e. bred to antesics bonnie a stone cold dog and produced Thor.......

    How about Ventje????? What you think of him?
     
  10. vagabond

    vagabond Pup

    Re: C. & C.'s CH Sony from Holland ?

    @Limey
    I think my friend Cuprija Boy wants to say that old Country Boys' Ugly (mother of Ventje) ended her life in our country after she was stolen or taken by force from Country Boys...Otto the Greek took her... She ended in Taci's yard (there were dogs like Wood's Sony - grandson of GR CH Spike, Wood's Female Red - daughter of Wood's Superman II, Taci's Banjy - son of champion Dutch Boy, Taci's Ugly II - daughter of Country Boys' Bartje, etc).... Snooty, snooty and more snooty :)
     
  11. Cuprija Boy

    Cuprija Boy Big Dog

    Re: C. & C.'s CH Sony from Holland ?

    yes,yes,yes....
     
  12. Limey kennels

    Limey kennels CH Dog

    Re: C. & C.'s CH Sony from Holland ?

    I belive that both bloodlines they had where as others umongst the best, BUT they fel into like so manny others do ""The pure trap"" .
    and as stated before, because of that unfortunatly there bloodlines played out. nobody today hase these in a rezenable acsepteble form from where they can say ,there dogs are representitife to these dogs.
    In other words ITS GONE.
    Having said that ,that altho the yankee dog is not a ""tightbred"", he is ""reprentetife"" of the quality around the make up of the varius dogs that made up his pedegree. other wize he would not produce so wel. They probely created a intire bloodlijn around him. so my best bet is if your intrested get some of those..

    ok about mad max and producing.
    You ofthen hear BS storys like they dont have good dogs in that part of the world ecetera. Every country had its fame and fortune ours was that we where the start in europe with the best imports from the legendary bloodlines and famelys and the dogman. in those days guys like hammonds, patrick, loposay ,wood, ronnie anderson ,grenshaw maurice carver came overhere ecetera ecetera,They sold us there ""best"" out of pride and to pr them selfs.

    then the germans came into the seen they carried alot more money along with them lots of the good dogs where alredy sold. The american dogman found a upertunaty window to sell ""lesser"" dogs for the same amound ore even more money and from there its spread along europe. (a aczample is that The famouse Limey kennels and MR bulldogs CH Spike he was bought from Hammonds as a pup for 350 USD!!!!)

    The establised first gen euro dutch uk dogman KNEW wat a good dog was and the usa breeders could NOT send a lesser dog over ""altho they did try and later did send lesser dogs"". a eczample was a dog called U&S kennels Slick he was out of braham grch snake bred back to his sister i belived. these dogs where lookt at and send back!!. iven dogs that just arived still in there kennel where send back without every been taken out of there sky kennels.

    Dogs like MAD max at the time where dogs that didnt make it overhere in the fast lane everyting that was considerd not fast lane whent to former yougoslavia and in the beggining to germany as wel!!!!!.
    later these dogman became smarter themselfs and some where able to creat good bloodlines, and buy dogs out of the usa a good rezen why these lesser dogs still produced good in yougoslavia was that they where from TOP NOTSH bred bloodlines.

    Today Good dogs are where you find them and thats the world over.last but not least I must say that in the former easern counties they do ""not"" use Cajun rules withs to me LOWERS the quality of the dogs in the long run generations douwn the road!!!!.
     
  13. Limey kennels

    Limey kennels CH Dog

    Re: C. & C.'s CH Sony from Holland ?

    Thank you Vagabond i remember now yes this story holds merrit, as i remember something like that happening. i knew Otto the greek wel!!!!!!!!!.
     
  14. doginhold

    doginhold Top Dog

    Re: C. & C.'s CH Sony from Holland ?

    My reply failed!

    Thanks for taking time to answer!
    See, as I got rid of all my mags books etc because of that bsl over here and cutting my contacts within the last ten years, I can´t get a hold of many people any more and some others turned their back on the breed.

    I personally like that Hammonds Stuff and owned some dogs that where bred on Ironjoe etc. (won´t give exact peds on the net).

    I see what you are about! At the beginnings the Yu people wanted to start something but there has been a big confusion.
    I do recall the 80ties over here in germany as many people believed the Pitbull to be a mutt between AmStaf and Bullterrier (seriously)!

    See I´ve never been active with my dogs but I do appreciate solid bred dogs. I do recall people like Prentki, Nuri, Holger, Kai or the Hoffmann brothers but
    as I was occupied by personal matters and not that internet focused or talkative toward people (lonesome wolf type of guy) I didn´t care to much about what was going on.

    I now what you mean with lesser quality! See some guys have been ripped of pretty bad as I recall one case they have been sent two dogs one died because of parvo the other about a year later caused by an infection that settled in the lungs and nose of this dog and they didn´t find a cure! even puppies that no way could have been from the line they asked for etc.....

    Therefore I always didn´t care about importing, I did care for a breeder that is honest and answers my questions with provable facts and I have to see in person what he will offer me.
    So it´s my pick of the litter. And if I fail it´s up to me and not because of being overly trusty!

    About that Country Boys Stuff its more like interest as I researched what they have started with in YU and they seemingly did well with them.
    As far as I know there are still some people that running it, f. e. Snooty Yu that is breeding on Yankees Brother Bagzy (if I´m not wrong).

    Also there have been some germans that stated this blood was working.

    See, as my dogs are quite old now, I´m thinking of a pup. So I´d go with some Hammonds stuff but also would be open for something different.

    Therefore my interest in the stuff that has been arround in europe.
     
  15. doginhold

    doginhold Top Dog

    Re: C. & C.'s CH Sony from Holland ?

    As for Yankee!
    Wasn´t he a half brother / half sister bred dog?

    As far as I know f. e. Snooty YU´s Brisco is heavily bred on Thor / Spanky.

    I don´t know the records and sorry for asking a hole in your head but you´ve been arround a long time and I appreciate your informations!
     
  16. As we like'm

    As we like'm Big Dog

    Re: C. & C.'s CH Sony from Holland ?

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  17. Limey kennels

    Limey kennels CH Dog

    Re: C. & C.'s CH Sony from Holland ?

    Yep i wassend far off........
     
  18. vagabond

    vagabond Pup

    Re: C. & C.'s CH Sony from Holland ?

    Please read previous posts on this topic and you will see some new information about Yankee's parents and their pedigree.
    Regarding Snooty-Yu's Brisco I am amazed that you know this dog. Snooty-Yu is my good friend and this is just one of his dogs. Anyway, Snooty-Yu still has some old dogs inbreed on Mirza's Bugzy (Yankee's brother). IMO, dogs inbreed so pure and tight only on Thor/Spanky are not good enough for fast lane. But they are great for crosses. You can find some almost pure Country Boys stuff in Croatia, too. Their famous Vili ROM was out of Sine's Mad Max (Hensen's Danger x Country Boys' Black Pearl) and double daughter of Ljubomir's Thor. Vili produced good dogs, especially from breeding with his own mother and with Keystone bred bitch called Antesic's Bonnie. But if you look into Vili's pedigree you will see that in fact he is dog made from outcross breeding (Patrick, Heinzl, Eli, Snooty, etc). I was just a kid when these old dogs came here, so I don't know if those first imported dogs were crap, but with proper work and selection guys from ex Yugoslavia made some good results with this bloodline. So, Country Boys blood in some new shape still lives in our part of Europe...
     

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