Clouse blood

Thx Ch. Animal for clearing it up.

 

Here is a website I put together, in tribute to Bert Clouse and his dogs.
Hope you find it worthwhile.
www.freewebs.com/clousedogs

Mallard
***Sorry emails are not allowed, Marty***

 

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Lone Wolf,
Saw that you made an effort to type a succession of question marks. Did you have a question about my Clouse website? I posted the link in the event anyone else might have an interest in the line. After all, even though it is an older thread, there was a request for information about this fine family of dogs. Let me know if I may help you with something.
Mallard

 

No prob. man..I really enjoyed your website..I checked it out when you first put it up..I just put a ped of a heavy clouse bitch I own and decided to take it down..Thats all..Nice site, lots of info.

 

Would love to see that ped. Here or in a private message.
Thanks

 

Mallard since you are quite knowledgable about the Clouse bloodline , what's your take on a dog bred like this?

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=272717

 

I think she's one hell of a well bred dog. Roughly 2/3's Clouse. Champion Jack bred back to his Mother from a yard that has kept the Clouse blood straight for 30 years.

I have seen a local dog bred similar, doubled up on Ch. Jack.
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=264290

 

Mr. Mallard what happend to the Clouse web site?

 

MR.CLOUSE WAS ONE OF THE GREATEST DOGMEN TO EVER LIVE AND WHAT ALL TRUE NON-CUR ,NON-SNITCHING, WAY TO HIGH STAKES BETTING AND ISAY REAL SPORTING MEN SHOULD PATTERN THEM SELVES AFTER!!!!!!!:cool:

 

You are right about the great rep Bert has an action man. He was not a breeder as he and those who knew him well would attest. Also ,he was known to do better with other peoples dogs than with his own.Saw a lot of action and had a good eye as to what would stop a dog and he knew where to go to borrow such.So many noobys were attracted to the'Great dogman "rep without knowing The man behind the Staber breedings was Mr Skagg[who was a breeder].They became sentimentaly attached to his blood line ,did'nt know the last real good one was Jack{See Sonny Sykes interview} and the last good breeding was the Jawsnapper,Butcherboy,Motorhead litter{which Bert did not breed. He got rid of all his dogs and messed with his fowl before getting some dogs back. They were never a good as the ones he had earlier.See his later breeding to Rascal .He knew his dogs needed mouth .His colored dogs were better than the Red nosed stuff. The info from the men who knew him came from Bobby Cross and Sonny Sykes.Both of whom loved the man and would have been happy to feed his blood if it had been any good.Both considered the remanants to be part of a wornout sentimental bloodline. As did and do some others who moved on from their earlier attachment to the line.

 

You are right about the great rep Bert has (WAS) an action man. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>
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He was not a breeder as he and those who knew him well would attest. <o:p></o:p>
**You simply don’t know your history on this subject. <o:p></o:p>
The man bred and kept his own family line for 40 years. This is acknowledged in various periodicals throughout the decades that he was active. He was both an action man and a breeder but known mostly as an action man, due to how often he refereed and matched. Those still living and knew him well (daughter Sharon, son Mason, protégé Robert Crossland), will happily tell you that you are mistaken. His family line is no secret to most. You are truly ininformed. <o:p></o:p>
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Also ,he was known to do better with other peoples dogs than with his own.<o:p></o:p>
**A misconception that seems to be repeated by those like yourself. <o:p></o:p>
In 40 years, Bert Clouse lost only two matches with his own core line of dogs. <o:p></o:p>
He often matched his own dogs and the same to others, proving they were not hand-made. <o:p></o:p>
I would like you to back up your statement. <o:p></o:p>
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Saw a lot of action and had a good eye as to what would stop a dog and he knew where to go to borrow such. **Agreed.<o:p></o:p>
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So many noobys (newbees) were attracted to the 'Great dogman "rep without knowing The man <o:p></o:p>
**Most newcomers to any hobby are often drawn to those who are successful. Besides, Bert had the reputation for helping newcomers.<o:p></o:p>
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behind the Staber breedings was Mr Skaggs [who was a breeder].<o:p></o:p>
**Blood from Earl Skaggs is not found behind Staber; however, Staber was bred to a Skaggs’ female.<o:p></o:p>
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=2220<o:p></o:p>
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They became sentimentaly attached to his blood line ,did'nt know the last real good one was Jack{See Sonny Sykes interview} and the last good breeding was the Jawsnapper,Butcherboy,Motorhead litter{which Bert did not breed. <o:p></o:p>
Perhaps you did not know of these dogs:<o:p></o:p>
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=1368<o:p></o:p>
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=224789<o:p></o:p>
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=111142<o:p></o:p>
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=2352<o:p></o:p>
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=100406<o:p></o:p>
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He got rid of all his dogs and messed with his fowl before getting some dogs back. **Another misconception from someone who never knew him. <o:p></o:p>
The ad’s Bert ran in Your Friend and Mine refute your words. He thinned a significant percentage of his yard but he was never out. As he got older and lost his leg, a large yard was more difficult to handle, so he worked through his protégé of that time (Becker) and put other dogs in the yards of several cock fighting associates. His dogs in those other yards kept the sporting chickens from getting eaten by foxes and other pests. The chicken men took care of the dogs and he bred to them. I have this in writing from two of his cockfighting associates, who provided me with pictures of the dogs Bert used (i.e. Melody’s Bullet & Thompson’s Sissy), along with his wife, daughter and Crossland. Even with what was farmed out, during those specific years, he always had a small group from his core line of dogs on his yard. Ask Ed Mullins if you need further proof. <o:p></o:p>
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They were never a good as the ones he had earlier.<o:p></o:p>
After 40 years of inbreeding (and as he became older), it is not uncommon to see a family line decline to some degree; however, they were still winning here and there. <o:p></o:p>
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See his later breeding to Rascal .<o:p></o:p>
**Crossland made those breedings.<o:p></o:p>
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He knew his dogs needed mouth.<o:p></o:p>
**That’s true. After decades if linebreeding and inbreding, his line needed to be crossed. <o:p></o:p>
Burt said that himself. <o:p></o:p>
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His colored dogs were better than the Red nosed stuff. <o:p></o:p>
The info from the men who knew him came from Bobby Cross and Sonny Sykes. Both of whom loved the man and would have been happy to feed his blood if it had been any good.<o:p></o:p>
**Wrong again. Crossland did feed it. Straight<o:p></o:p>
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=316455<o:p></o:p>
& crossed<o:p></o:p>
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=84338<o:p></o:p>
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Both considered the remanants to be part of a wornout sentimental bloodline. <o:p></o:p>
**I speak or correspond with Crossland several times a year. Have done so since 1984.<o:p></o:p>
What you say is not what he thinks. Believe it.<o:p></o:p>
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As did and do some others who moved on from their earlier attachment to the line. <o:p></o:p>
**There are still dogs with significant percentages of Clouse blood that are competitive.<o:p></o:p>
A son of this dog won just 3 months ago.<o:p></o:p>
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=93088<o:p></o:p>
That winning dog was this dog’s brother:<o:p></o:p>
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=384667<o:p></o:p>
There are others.<o:p></o:p>
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=2964<o:p></o:p>
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=89072<o:p></o:p>
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Knowledge is key.

 

Can anyone tell me anymore about clouse blood? there is a good amount way back in this pedigree i was wondering about.
I was told clouse blood is ofrn, is that correct? Any info is appreciated.

 

Most dogs today have more Clouse bred dogs in them as people may believe.
This could be what people maybe should look for when looking for the 'catalyst' or the 'nick'.
A good start to get a better understanding should be a dog like Tudor's Ch Spike.
Most people can only see DIBO. BUT WHY did this breeding work so well ?
Ch Spike x Black Widow. Dibo dogs ? Hell no ! Why did this breedings work so well ?
And again, if you know what OFRN means, then you are able to see that there is not much OFRN in Clouse dogs.
Heavy irish blood ? Yes !
Heavy bred on OF and/or OFR ? Yes !
Heavy OFRN ? NO !
Skagg's Firefly is the only dog in Clouse dogs who can be called OFRN.
Now it's up to you to read peds over again and to see it, or you can ask again later.

 

afb find mike norrods number and call him..he will help you out with that question.

 

BRAINWASH whooooaaaaaa

 

I bet 1k that IM is saying that Clouse dogs are not OFRN's !

 

Or 10k if you like it better. Maybe you can force him to a lie, if you do 50/50 with him.

 

Oh and btw.
Patrick's Homer shows you exactly what Clouse dogs have been mainly. 33lbs black brindle, same style and everything.

 

i dont need the money stick...ill pass.and let him say what is on his mind..it doesnt matter to me eitther way.