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demodex (red mange)

Discussion in 'Health & Nutrition' started by bull601ds, Mar 4, 2010.

  1. bull601ds

    bull601ds Pup

    Do any of you guys gave problems with this in your dogs.My male Deuce was missing 80 percent of his hair when I got him at 4 months.My vet told me this was common in APBT and is genetic.6 weeks of treatment and 3 dips give him a perfect coat.However he just had another flare up.
     
  2. CTG

    CTG Big Dog

    take him to get dipped or get some mitaban and do it yourself.
     
  3. Jelet

    Jelet Banned

    Feed a quality raw diet and ask your vet for the ivomec dosage. And then go the tractor supply store and get IVOMEC 1%.(vet will charge x2 the price, if you buy from them most likely. sometimes x3/x4!) it looks like this. And get a syringe and give to your dog orally. And also if your has one spot of ivomec. like one hairless spot. get some invomec and inject it into a glass little jar. Then take a qtip and dip it in there. Then apply it (with qtip) to the hairless area once a week. And scrub the hairless area once a week with lukewarm water and dishwashing soap to get rid of the dead skincells.
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    Dont do the toxic baths, i mean mitaban baths.The active ingredient in mitaban is known to cause cancer.




    And get a sulfur type product such as nu-stock and apply it daily to the hairless area. sulfor will kite some of the mites in the area aswell and help regrow the hair.

    And try to keep the dog from rubbing it off or licking it off.


    following these directions 100% precisely.
     
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  4. bull601ds

    bull601ds Pup

    Oh I got it under controll now after 2 dips 20 a dip and its been 8 months since his last dip I can live with that for such a good dog
     
  5. bull601ds

    bull601ds Pup

    Jelet give me tips on this raw diet I been feeding both my dogs canidae and befor that taste of the wild but I have been wanting to feed a raw diet
     
  6. Jelet

    Jelet Banned

    I won't give you the raw diet that I am feeding.

    But heres a basic raw diet which will be better for your dog.
    Pit Bull Forums - View Single Post - Diets of raw food.
     
  7. bull601ds

    bull601ds Pup

    I really appreciate that does she matter I have a 25 lbs 5 months old female and a 45 lbs 12 months old male
     
  8. Jelet

    Jelet Banned

    Well if you see one is getting fatter on the diet. Lower the amount your feeding the dog. Example--maybe 1/2 of chicken thigh, 1/2 of egg, 1/2 of tsb spoon of lard. etc.. equally cut the portions that your feeding by 25% or by half.
    and if your dogs get thin, add a little lard or chicken thigh. or add half tsb of lard extra or half of chicken thigh extra . etc. play around with it. except dont play around with the amount of multivitamin your feeding. and I'd be feeding the 5 month female 1/2 multivitamin and give the full pill to the 12 month old. but thats just me.
     
  9. ElJay

    ElJay Premium Member Premium Member

    Great advice on the demodex Jelet.
     
  10. bull601ds

    bull601ds Pup

    Ok thanks a lot everyone
     
  11. ShakaZ

    ShakaZ CH Dog

    Would ya'll breed to a proven bitch who had demodex since it is genetic?
     
  12. bull601ds

    bull601ds Pup

    No I would never that's what caused this problem that is also why I neutered my male
     
  13. Laced Wit Game

    Laced Wit Game Yard Boy

  14. CTG

    CTG Big Dog

    Treatment for Demodex in Dogs


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    There are three treatments for demodectic mange that work for most dogs. The first is the use of amitraz pour on (Mitaban Rx) every other week for 6 to 8 applications or until 2 consecutive skin scrapings are negative, which probably cures demodectic mange in about 80% of dogs when application directions are followed, although this is just a guess based on averaging results from available studies. This is the only approved treatment for demodecosis. The second treatment is ivermectin given by injection or orally at the rate of 250ug/kg or higher (up to 600ug/kg in resistant cases) daily until two skin scrapings are negative, which probably also works about 80% of the time. This treatment has to be used very carefully in collies and shelties, who are more likely to suffer toxic reactions to ivermectin. The third treatment that is sometimes used is oral milbemycin (Interceptor Rx) given daily for six to eight weeks and my best guess is that it is about as effective as the other therapies. It is probably wise to be cautious about using this therapy in collies and shelties, too -- although we have done this on a couple of occasions without problems, so far.
    Even though we use six to eight weeks as sort of a minimum therapy time, it is important to remember that it can take up to a year of therapy in some dogs to cure demodecosis. It might be possible to cure more dogs if intense treatment was used longer than a year but we haven't tried that.
    Some dogs who do not respond to one therapy will respond to one of the others, so it is probably possible to cure demodectic mange in about 90% of dogs. In the remaining dogs it is usually possible to control the disease even if it can't be eliminated, by use of intermittent therapy. We have done once a month amitraz applications when this was necessary, in most cases. We have a couple of patients who we use ivermectin intermittently with (probably average two or three month long treatments a year).
    It seems to help a lot to use an antibiotic for secondary bacterial infections during the first two to three months of therapy for demodectic mange unless treating an early case in which secondary bacterial infection hasn't occurred. It is also helpful to use an antibacterial and antiseborrheic shampoo to treat secondary skin disease and get rid of crusts and exudate on the skin. This is especially important when using amitraz.
    There are a couple of legal problems associated with the therapy for demodecosis, which hamper therapeutic efforts in some patients. The first legal hurdle is that it is illegal to use an EPA approved product in a manner inconsistent with its labelling and Mitaban (Rx) is EPA approved rather than FDA approved. So once weekly dips, which seem to work better, are actually illegal. So is long term intermittent use. The second legal problem is that the use of ivermectin and milbemycin for the treatment of demodecosis is an "off-label" use. This isn't illegal, but when off-label treatments are used they are supposed to be used after an approved treatment fails. So technically, your vet should use amitraz first and then the other therapies. This is a problem due to the requirements for successful use of amitraz in some dog breeds (see next paragraph).
    Amitraz works best on short haired dogs and on dogs whose medium to long length hair has been clipped completely in order to allow better exposure to the amitraz pour on. Longer haired breeds will need to be clipped repeatedly until therapy is successful, which can be a long time. It also works best when all scabs and sores have been cleaned off prior to application and when an anti-sebborheic shampoo has been used prior to application of the pour on and then the dog at least towel dried. Finally, it is necessary to sponge or pour amitraz onto the whole surface of the skin, affected as well as unaffected areas. If these steps are not taken, amitraz is much more likely to fail.
     
  15. ElJay

    ElJay Premium Member Premium Member

    Yeah amitraz is one of the ingredients in Promeris, the new topical flea and tick prevention. We used it at our clinic on dogs that either had heartworm disease and couldn't be given Ivermectin or on dogs that owners didn't want to do dips or daily oral meds. We had fantastic results with it. Promeris actually has been used in demodex studies and has a separate labeling for use to treat demodex. It can be used every two weeks until skin scrapes are negative. I had forgotten about this method of treatment until you said something about amitraz.

    On a side note, Promeris works great for ticks and demodex, but sucks as a flea prevention.
     
  16. Dream Pits

    Dream Pits CH Dog

    I used Promeris with good results
     

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