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Dog Breeders Beware!!

Discussion in 'Laws & Legislation' started by Bobby Rooster, Jan 22, 2009.

  1. Bobby Rooster

    Bobby Rooster CH Dog

    Permission to cross postDate: Monday, January 19, 2009, 9:05 PMhttp://endangeredowner.blogspot.com/...r-program.htmlTuesday, January 13, 2009HSUS Turn In A Breeder ProgramBreeders, BEWARE. Yep, I'm talking to ALL breeders...especially those that have their heads buried in the sand thinking they are above reproach...The HSUS is taking names and they want YOU. (yes, that includes the hobby/show breeders too), courtesy of their "Pet Seller Complaint Form".BEWARE: If you sell someone a puppy and for whatever reason that person is not happy with their new little fluffy bundle of joy, YOU can be turned in to the HSUS!!! Yes, folks, the HSUS has now appointed themselves "breeder watchdogs"...All a person has to do is download the 6 page form (count'em **6** pages of forms), fill them out with their name and contact information and supply the BREEDER'S contact information, then submit copies of the packet (with all contracts, registration, medical records, etc) to the following:Once this form is complete and additional documents have been attached make six copies of your packet. - Send one copy to Puppy Mills, The Humane Society of the United States, 2100 L Street NW, Washington, DC 20037.- Send one copy to the Department of Agriculture in the state in which the breeder does business.- Send one copy each to the Attorney General of the state in which the breeder resides and to the Attorney General in your state.- Save one copy and all originals for your records.Folks, it is this simple: The HSUS is NOT a government agency. The HSUS is NOT a law firm. The HSUS is NOT a law enforcement agency nor does it have enforcement powers. What the HSUS is, in fact, is a multi mega dollar Animal Rights group out to destroy dog breeders, the fur trade, the meat and dairy industry, and would LOVE nothing more than to see America become a land of tofu munching vegans.Does this description sound familiar? It should. The HSUS has the SAME agenda as their Animal Rights cousin, PeTA. However, the HSUS has chosen to disguise themselves as a "animal protection agency" dressed inthousand dollar suits and driving Jaguars.So, before any of you write and say, "I'm a responsible breeder and I guarantee all of my puppies and I only breed to better the breed"...Youare not immune. Most people that I know have a website with their contact information listed (or even if you don't, it is VERY easy to get byanyone). The website may be nothing more than a way to show off your show wins, your stud dog, etc. Just a site of general information for potential puppy buyers. Let's say that one night a Animal Rights foot-soldier is cruising the 'net and stumbles onto your site. Maybe they don't like the factthat you show dogs, maybe they don't like the breed of dog(s) that you own,maybe they don't like the fact that you are a breeder period.So the AR zealot decides to turn you in to the HSUS...even though this person has never met you, much less bought a puppy from you. BAM! All of your information is now in the hands of the enemy...the group that is working THIS YEAR to bring down "the rest of us" with theintroduction of the PUPS bill in congress.My best advice: protect yourselves. Don't post personal contact informationon your website. Be extra careful of AR lunatics posing as "puppybuyers". And most importantly: DO NOT SIGN AWAY YOUR DOGS and DO NOT let any"humane" officer onto your property without a WARRANT. (Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer, nor do I play one on t.v., if you need legal advice contact an attorney to find out what laws are in your state)For more information on what to do (and what NOT to do) when Animal Control Comes Knockin' on your door, please see "How To Respond to Anti-Dog Enforcement" and "A Dog Owner's Rights" on the American DogOwners Association website.This is not good. Not for any breeder. If a puppy buyer is mad enough, or feels they have been "scammed" , YOU can now be "turnedin"...but what makes this so terrifying is that the HSUS will have ALL of YOUR information. Pretty handy information for an Animal Rights group to have laying around, huh? To be used for WHATEVER purpose they see fit: RAIDS, comes to mind. Especially if you have "pit bulls" (which the HSUS loves to seekilled at every opportunity) or breeds of dogs that are in high demand from the public.What would YOU do if the HSUS came-a-knockin' on your door? Would you let them in?Would you fall victim to their coersion tactics of signing over your dogs so "it won't be as hard on you later"? What would you do? Do youknow what YOUR rights are? __________________Susanne C. Roberts-PhillipsHaving a Dane is Great. Loving a Dane is even Greater. Have you licked your Dane today? :P SusRob0674
     
  2. Holy shit.......:mad:
     
  3. dajuice

    dajuice Big Dog

    It's time for people to stop being so submissive with these aggitators, and stand up and when they come knocking!
     
  4. I say we make our own organization condemning Vegans and Animal Rights nutjobs.

    Animals make methane which is bad for the ozone...
    Omnivores eat these ozone killers.
    Vegans eat plants that can turn that bad methane into breathable oxygen.

    Vegans are essentially eating the ozone,the cause of global warming...Something that affects "everyone".

    Proud PETA member....People for the Eating of Tasty Animals
     
  5. prpitdawg

    prpitdawg Top Dog

    million pit bull owner march. if we all get together and start marching up and down the roads, then people will start to pay attention. it works for every other group. if politicians see how many of us there are, then they'll stop and think about their votes and their paychecks. we're the ones who pay them. the hsus just needs to be dismantled. or they could make it to where only volunteers work there. they'll stop spending all that money chasing us if their nice cars don't have gas. i personally don't put my house number out there. my cell phone is from out of state and in a totally different name. i don't even like to sell any of my pups. if i do let them go it's usually to people i know. or they have to have some kind of reference. that's the best way i figured to do it. this crap the hsus is pulling now is just stupid. i hope someone puts a stop to this. if we yell loud enough i'll bet the people in charge will hear us.
     
  6. simms

    simms CH Dog

    Close the circles folks this breed is not for everyone!
     
  7. joe woodall

    joe woodall Guest

    I am joe woodall and in oct 28 the the hsus and the spca took my dogs,and because i had viedo of my dogs for over two years they had to return them to after seeing the tapes of my dogs the keep them for over two months before returning them held me in my home for over eight hours never arreseted me,i have talked to serveral lawyers I cannot find one that will take the case on a oercetage rate they all want 10,000.00 or more down here is a case that can be won against the hsus and the terriost John goodwin that hsus has working for them,along with the group norrad and asc.
    If there is anyone that may know of a lawyer that will take this case please contact me.
    at email address tracyromigh@hotmail.com..
    Lets beat this people while we have a case!!!!

    They also took ray beavers dogs the same day, and from what I know that have put his to sleep. for haveing a altered skill saw they claim,


    JOE WOODALL
     
  8. goobsveta

    goobsveta Guest

    êåì áû âû õîòåëè ðàáîòàòü è ïî÷åìó?

    ïîíÿòíî, ÷òî ìû âñå õîòåëè áû ëåæàòü íà äèâàíå è ïîëó÷àòü äåíüãè ïðîñòî òàê =)
    åñëè áû ó âàñ áûë áû ñ÷åò â áàíêå ñ êîòîðîãî áû âû æèëè íà ïðîöåíòû (ò.å. âîïðîñ î äåíüãàõ íå ñòîèò â ïðèíöèïå) ÷åì áû âû çàíèìàëèñü? =)
     
  9. Sersnuncrep

    Sersnuncrep Guest

    äàþ âàì ñóïåð ïîðíî-ñàéò ñ ìîðåì ïîðíî âèäþøåê

    Ïðèâåò, íàøåë òàêîé ïîðíî-ñàéò, ãäå åñòü êó÷à âèäåî
    ñðàçó íà îäíîì ñàéòå, è âñå ìîæíî î÷åíü øóñòðî âûêà÷àòü!
    Ïîñìîòðèòå! Ïðîñòî ïèçäåö, âîò âèäþøêè, ýòî ÿ ñäåëàë
    òàêîé ñïèñîê êîòîðûå òàì åñòü, íî òàì èõ ïïö êàê ìíîãî!!!

    ÑÊÀ×ÀÒÜ ÑÓÏÅÐ ÏÎÐÍÎ >>>

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    â öåðìå òðàõàëè æåíøèíóìîæíî ëè äðî÷èòü?
     
  10. popper

    popper CH Dog

    i couldnt agree aymore .... you took the words out of my mouth... All these puppy peddlers sellig puppies to random ass people to make a pup.. its a disgrace. Me if i breed my aim is to keep as may as possible and if there is any left go to good people i know
     
  11. WHAT TO DO WHEN ANIMAL CONTROL COMES KNOCKING
    by George J. Eigenhauser Jr.
    (he is an attorney at law licensed in the State of California since 1979
    and practices in the areas of civil litigation and estate planning)

    ANTI-DOG ENFORCEMENT - What Every Dog Owner Needs to Know (or cat owner)
    Dog owners and ethical breeders are increasingly being targeted. Disgruntled neighbors may retaliate against dog owners and may other reasons drive complaints, and anti-dog enforcement action, which many times may be conducted illegally.

    The following text outlines methods of inquiry and enforcement which may be
    used by local officials in attempts to enforce ordinances in your community
    and suggested techniques of response. These techniques are entirely legal
    and based upon the rights of citizens as stated by the U.S. Constitution.

    No breeder wants to have Animal Control come knocking on the door...but if
    they do, it will help if you know what your options are.

    Remember, Animal Control is law enforcement. They are bound by the same
    Constitution as any other government agency. To protect yourself, you need
    to know your rights. These vary slightly one jurisdiction to another, but
    some general principles apply. One rule applies everywhere: never physically
    resist an officer.

    When Animal Control is At Your Door:

    1. Do not let them in, no matter how much they ask. Animal Control
    generally cannot enter your home without a warrant, or your permission.
    While regular police can enter in emergency situations when human life
    is at risk (i.e. they hear gunshots and a scream inside), there are few, if
    any, situations in which Animal Control can enter your home without a
    warrant. Simply tell them they may not come in.

    2. If you let them in, anything they find in "plain sight" can be used
    against you. In some circumstances Animal Control officers, unable
    to find a legitimate reason to make an arrest, have reported building or
    zoning violations. This may include caging you attached to a wall
    without a building permit, that extraoutlet in the puppy room, having
    more pets than allowed by zoning, even extension cords in violation
    of fire codes! No matter how clean your kennel, if they want to
    find a violation, they will.

    3. Do not talk to them from an open doorway. Step outside an close (and
    lock if possible) the door behind you. This is necessary because:

    A) Anything they see through the open door is "plain sight" and may
    be the basis for an arrest, or probable cause for a search warrant.

    B) If they make an arrest or even feel threatened they are usually
    permitted to search for weapons in your immediate area. Do you
    keep a baseball bat inside the door for your protection? Even if
    you don't, once they step inside to look, they are in your home
    and may continue to search.

    C) It is hard not to be intimidated by someone in authority. Some
    animal control is even done by local police, who carry guns. It is
    easy for them to get "in your face", causing you to back up into the
    home. Once you go in, it will be interpreted as an invitation to follow.

    4. If they claim to have a warrant, demand to see it. In general, a
    search warrant must be signed by a judge. A warrant to search your
    home for dogs does not include an inventory of your jewelry box. A
    warrant to search your kennel in the garage or in the barn does not
    include a search of your home.

    5. In some locations dog owners may have obtained special "breeder
    permits" that stipulate that Animal Control has your permission to
    enter at any time. If you have signed such a permit they still cannot
    enter against your wishes, since you can revoke the permission at
    any time. However, if you refuse permission it may allow them to
    cancel your breeder permit, so you have to weigh the consequences.

    6. Warning - anyone in lawful possession of the premises may be able to
    give permission for a search. Make sure your roommate, babysitter,
    dog-sitter, housekeeper and other know that they should not let animal
    control into your home or on your property (i.e. backyard, garage, etc.).

    How to Handle Questions:

    1. Don't answer any questions beyond identifying yourself for the
    officer. Anything you say to the officer in your defense cannot be
    used in court (hearsay). Anything you say that is harmful to you will
    be used in court (confessions are not considered hearsay). You cannot
    win, except by remaining silent.

    2. Be polite but firm. Do not argue, bad-mouth, curse, threaten or try
    to intimidate the officer.

    3. Do not lie to an officer, ever. However, it is NOT a lie to exercise
    your right to remain silent.

    4. Keep your hands in plain sight. People have been shot by police when
    common objects, such as a wallet, were mistaken for a gun.

    5. Do not touch the officer in any way. Do not physically resist an
    officer, no matter how unlawful his or her actions.

    6. Don't try to tell your side of the story, it cannot help.

    7. Do not threaten the officer that you plan to file a complaint for their actions.

    8. If the questioning persists, demand to speak to a lawyer first.
    Repeat as necessary.

    Gathering the Facts:

    1. Get the name and badge number of each officer involved. If he/she
    does not volunteer this information, ask.

    2. Ask the name of the agency they represent. Different agencies have
    different enforcement responsibilities.

    3. Ask why they are there. Request the factual basis of the complaint
    and the identity of the complainant.

    4. If they have other people with them (Humane Society, press, etc.)
    get the names and organizations for all present.

    5. Note the names (and addresses) of any witnesses to the encounter.

    6. If you are physically injured by an officer, you should take
    photographs of the injuries immediately, but do not forego proper
    medical treatment first.

    7. Write down all of the information, as well as the date and time of
    the incident immediately, while details are fresh in your mind.

    8. If you rights are violated, file a complaint with the appropriate body.

    If You Are Arrested:

    1. Remain silent. Answer no questions until you have consulted with a
    lawyer.

    2. Don't "explain" anything. You will have time for explanations after
    you have talked to a lawyer.

    3. Within a reasonable time they must allow you to make a phone call to
    get a lawyer or arrange bail. They are not allowed to listen to your phone
    call to your attorney, but they may "monitor" the rooms for "your protection".
    Do not say anything you do not want them to overhear; save that until after
    you are out on bail.

    Telephone Inquiries or Threats:

    You may receive telephone inquiries concerning the number of dogs you
    own and whether any dogs or puppies are for sale. Other questions may also be asked.

    Your response should be to inquire "Are you interested in a puppy?". If
    the answer is "yes", ask that person for his/her name, address and phone
    number. Suggest that you or a responsible breeder will contact that person
    at a more convenient time for you.

    If the answer is friendly and genuinely inquisitive, invite the person
    to look at your puppies.

    If the question asked is "What is the price of each puppy?", simply say
    that puppies of this type are being sold for between "X" and "Y" dollars.
    Never say that you are selling them.

    If the question asked is "Are these your puppies?", you should ask,
    "Why do you want to know?".

    If you conversation indicates that the person is representing the
    county clerk's office or allegedly representing an official body, ask the caller for:

    -Full name, title and phone number

    -Agency's full name and full address

    -Their supervisor's full name and phone number

    -Nature of the inquiry (what it is about)

    -Why the inquiry is being made

    -How your name and phone number were obtained

    -Ask that all future questions from that agency be submitted in
    writing

    Preventative Measures:

    1. Always keep you kennel clean and take good care of your animals.

    2. Consider a P.O. Box or other address for business cards and
    advertisements. Keep descriptions of your location general (i.e. Southern
    California, rather than the name of the city where you live). The
    internet can provide anonymity for initial contacts. You can even
    buy a "remote prefix" to get a number from a nearby community
    forwarded to your phone or to a voice mail. Avoid local newspaper
    classifieds, they are often monitored.

    3. Screen any potential puppy buyers carefully. Always be alert that
    they may be Animal Control or even Animal Rights working under cover.

    4. Don't allow strangers into your home until you have screened them.

    5. Be fair and honest in all of your dealings, and be on good terms
    with your neighbors. Most animal control contacts are complaint-driven.
    Some complaints may arise as harassment by people with
    unrelated grievances against you. It may be a disgruntled dog buyer
    or a cranky neighbor who doesn't like you parking in front of his house.

    6. Anything about you that can be observed in "plain sight" from the
    street or sidewalk can become probably cause for a warrant. Even areas
    on your property open to visitors can be dangerous. Be aware of which
    areas of your home are visible from the outside and plan accordingly.

    7. If you are confronted by Animal Control and turn them away, assume
    they will be back. Use the time available to make sure everything is clean
    and presentable. If you are over the limit on the number of pets, find friends
    who can provide temporary shelter for your dogs.

    Whatever you do, stay calm and keep your wits about you.

    Just say "no", no matter what threats or promises of leniency they make.

    When in doubt, say nothing and speak to a lawyer afterwards.
     

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