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Grand carpet mill

Discussion in 'Products & Equipment' started by elviejon01, Apr 10, 2019.

  1. for those that have a grand carpet mill, is there anything you have done to make it a little more free spinning. I just bought mine, and Have seen videos online that show dogs running /spinning faster than my mill.
     
  2. slim12

    slim12 CH Dog Staff Member

    There is some break in time involved.

    The second is the sliding surface. It will help to wax the surface with car wax. Apply it liberally and let it dry. Then wipe it off and it will get a little better.

    Time on the mill will do as much as anything.

    S
     
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  3. Slim, the mill definitely is starting to spin more freely now that it’s getting daily usage. As far as timing, how long do you normally keep a dog on a carpetmill for? I have a slat and I typically do a 1-2 sets of 10-15 min for most of my dogs 2-3 days a week as maintenance work.
     
  4. slim12

    slim12 CH Dog Staff Member

    There is no set time. The dog will tell you when it is time to come off.

    Granted the slat mill will turn more free than the carpet mill, and he may run the slat mill longer than the carpet mill.

    As far as carpet mills go, the Grand and the Grand Deluxe are not all that free, by design/as designed. In turn that mill will be slightly less free than the carpet mills I use.

    For a maintenance work out I would think a couple three minutes as a set and then go from there. The key would be to watch the dog, depending on the individual dog on the mill, his minute might be the next dog's two minutes. You will read your dog and make that call.

    My buddy worked Ch. Angel on a Grand and he did her in sprints. All out for as long as she could go, let her walk the mill and then all out again as hard as she could for as long as she could go. That was set #1. He built sets from there. Some days the sprint was much less than a minute but back then we were looking for the explosion, maintaining the burst, minimizing recovery and exploding again. That would be more of a competition approach than maintenance.

    Maybe more information than you want, like, will you STFU? but....The Grand will bulk the rear end of a dog up quicker than most would think. If your dog is lean and fit, and well fed (balance diet meeting his needs) I would do something aerobically first and get him winded, somewhat spent, and then go to the Grand. His times will be much shorter than if he were fresh, but he will not look heavier in the rear and without feeding the bulk in the back end the dog will be able to breathe.

    Apologize for the babbling.

    S
     
  5. slim12

    slim12 CH Dog Staff Member

    to expand just a little....

    Since you have a slat you would greatly increase the effectiveness of the Grand mill by using the slat mill first. The slat mill would be used to get his heart rate up and expend a lot of energy. Not beat down tired and hot, but winded, then put him on the carpet mill.

    Just for numbers sake, and numbers sake only, let's say each quad in 10 inches in diameter and on a strength scale of 1 to 10 your dog is on a 8. With the carpet mill alone, especially the Grand/ Grande Deluxe, in a short time his quad area will be 11 inches and his strength will be 9, maybe even a 10. if we were weight pulling that would be superb. If not, then the heart has to feed all that extra muscle and feeding an extra pound of muscle is hard and can be the difference between conditioned and world class conditioning.

    The best idea is to take the same dog and run him on the slat mill til he is winded, then put him on the carpet mill. The nutrients you have fueled him with are used (for the most part) aerobically. There will not be as much mass built. The the carpet mill gets factored in after the slat mill. His quad area will pretty much stay the same, more toned, but not much increase in bulk. On that same ten inch quad his strength will moved from a 8 to an 8.5, even a 9 in some cases.

    By using both tools the dog does not gain as much mass, gets stronger, but at the same time he is stronger-longer. His body will be able to fuel itself vs. trying to feed a bunch of extra muscle hanging around in the back.

    I am not sure if that makes much sense. Sort of hard to capture 30 years in a paragraph or two. Sort of like marathon runners do not win bench press competitions and world class power lifters will not win a marathon. But as in a lot of competition sports, at some point within the event, the athlete has to be a world class lifter, breathe like a world class distance runner, and sprint like a world class 100M guy, and those particular needs can change in the blink of an eye.

    It is really fun to watch these world class MMA and cross-fit people train. One of the first comments is the revolutionary ways of training today's modern athlete. They are innovators and trend setters to say the least. At the same time I know people who were using the same techniques and same principles 40 years ago, the only difference was it was a canine athlete.

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  6. Slim, that makes a lot of sense. Kinda reminds me of the training we would do whenI was fighting we would do our roadwork before doing our intense padwork. Thanks for your explanation. I mainly got the carpetmill as to compliment the slatmill and roadwork. Currently I alternate days(one day slat, one day roadwork, one day carpetmill etc)
     
  7. slim12

    slim12 CH Dog Staff Member

    That will work just keep an eye on his rear end.

    The slatmill and road work will get him in really good condition. The better the condition the more he can do on the carpet mill. Before you know it he will be logging some time on the Grand and his back end will begin to gain mass.

    When using a slat mill I always used it before I did anything that would 'build muscle'. If a dog who drags you down the road, your arm locked, the lead banjo string tight and you leaning back as you go... this will build muscle in the rear end. For these really hard pulling dogs we would put him on the the slat mill for a good hard run and then go to the road work. If it were a dog that did not blast himself when walking then we could go straight to the roadwork/pulling chains, etc.

    Best of luck. With those tools the dogs should fair really well.

    S
     
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