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Grown dogs that don't like pups?

Discussion in 'Dog Discussion' started by Thunder98, May 19, 2016.

  1. Thunder98

    Thunder98 Big Dog

    I would like to know how the GDC views this type of dog that does not like pups around 8-10 weeks old..or so, while there are others that will play all day with them...Me personally I don't like this type of dog, I mean what the hell can a pup do them....drink all the water up loll.I figure they are as unstable as a grow person doing harm to an infant or child...
    Got a partner with a really good female, she hates pups, mouth clapping and all when they approach.. He told me he would love to breed her but doesn't trust her with the pups. So GDC what's your take on it?
     
  2. I have had grown males that would play with small pups but would not tolerate older pup (4 months +). I think it is more of a dominance thing than anything else. A female that doesn't like pups can be destructive to her own if provoked. I would probably breed this gyp but I would keep an eye on how she acts towards them. Some gyps develop a mother's instincts when they have their own and some do not. JMHO
     
  3. bamaman

    bamaman GRCH Dog

    I never leave pups around grown dogs , its just not worth the risk .You can onoy expect the mother to do so much and then we step in and take over.You been waiting to do this breeding , just never made since to me to leave pups to long with the mother or leave them around other mature dogs.
     
  4. ELIAS'PISTOLA

    ELIAS'PISTOLA CH Dog

    All great posts...

    I personally like an out going bulldog that has all the confidence in the world and dosnt look at a puppy as its next meal...
    I like a bulldog that has that confidence that only when another dog roosts up do they get excited and know there place
    and when is when or who for that matter...

    Thats a perfect acting bulldog to me and I never liked fight crazy dogs...
    one of the fist big yards I seen the man had an assortment of dogs running loose on his property
    from pups,,, yearlings to cold adults...

    A different type of man with a different type of plan,,,
    if the dog started up and made it,,, he would put them on a chain...

    The "pack" learned what adults were not to be trusted and steered clear but would often sleep in a another dogs house with them,,,
    a small dog on the cable run that must have felt he was alpha had two bitches that he let sleep in his house and he slept at the entrance...
    The man didnt mind those two cold bitches breeding to his small colossal and alot of great dogs came from those breedings

    Later at about five one of the bitches turned on and had to be put on a chain,,,
    I asked him if he lost a lot of dogs that way and he said in natures order...

    This yard housed ch black pazmanian jr. as well as others of similar statue...

    A fila mastif Beau and one of the smartest dogs Ive met,,, a boxer named roxy ran loose in that pack on that unfenced yard/acreage,,,
    as well as roadkill a catahoula cross that showed up during hunting season and stayed a couple years
    just to pick back up on the trail with another pack during season...

    That cat "roadkill" ended up being a hunting neighbors better hound that found roadkill out hunting
    and kept her and ran her to an old age,,, one mans roadkill matured into another mans treasure...

    I guess the moral of the story is WHO WE ARE and WHAT WE EXCEPT in the dogs WE KEEP or BETTER yet BREED should SUIT our LIFESTYLE...
     
  5. bamaman

    bamaman GRCH Dog

    No right or wrong answer , I do have a couple mothers I'd leave pups with a lot longer than others.I feel like after 3 weeks its time for me to step in and start helpin out.These dogs stress like humans do .Pregnancy in dogs and birth and aftercare is stressfull.As far as quality in mothers that are easier going VS mothers that are not ,I ddon't think its a difference .Only difference is one is a better mother than the other.Now I admit it can become a trait within your family if your not careful but I don't believe it effects producing what your looking for and she won't pass it on to all of the offspring.Now if this is the only type female you breed to then yes , more than likely you will get a higher percentage of this type....just my 2
     
  6. stinkrock

    stinkrock Top Dog

    After 4 weeks I start keeping the pups away from the mother as much as possible . Only for feeding. Also at that time they are starting to eat on their own with soaked puppy food. That way works for me best.
     
  7. Saiyagin

    Saiyagin Chihuahua

    When it comes to animal aggression some dogs do not discriminate as they will treat everyone equally as prey. LMAO
     
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  8. AGK

    AGK Super duper pooper scooper Administrator

    Exactly. Just like many will go after anything that moves on 4 or Flys with 2. I've had a couple bitches that needed watched closely once their pups where over 5 or 6 weeks of age. Lil Miss Geach wants nothing to do with most pups after a certian age, especially the ones that want to mess with her. She has very little play in her. As far as males go, I wouldn't even try or take the risk of having pups around them, IMO that's just stupid and asking for trouble. My dog Charlie will go after one with no hesitation. Don't matter if its a baby bird, kitten or pup. If it moves and isn't human they're in danger around him or LMG. Although she has more patience with pups and has, when watched closely, tolerated one or 2 past 5 or 6 weeks, her behavior around them is extremely aggressive so I don't take the chance and I ween them young off her, usually by 5 weeks of age pups have no contact with her again. Not sure why anyone would want their dog playing with pups in the first place, especially if they are working dogs. Not worth the risk IMO
     
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  9. Thunder98

    Thunder98 Big Dog

    I don't buy that...a good bulldawg should have sense enough to know he is a bulldawg and he or she is a pup...nothing stupid about letting pups and grown dogs chill together....good bulldawg give a sign or hint to the pup and the pup knows to give the older dogs space...I'm not talking feeding time just on occasions.
    I'm hoping like hell they know the diffence in rabbit human and pup....just don't care for them that's all....good replies fellas thanks. Idk, maybe they feel like they are gonna be replaced and go ape shit on a pup...sad...just an opinion
     
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  10. babedulce

    babedulce Big Dog

    Dogs are dogs humans are humans and dogs dont give a fuck about humans' practice of dog psychology. Our undetstanding of dog psychology doesnt even apply to gamedogs because of what they are selectively bred for. If you can't grasp this then yoir love/hate relationship with this breed will remain as such
     
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  11. okcdogman82

    okcdogman82 Top Dog

    Naw fuck that a smart bulldog will know better! unless the pup is already dog agressive now if the pup challenge the dog then thats his ass and his fault.
     
  12. ELIAS'PISTOLA

    ELIAS'PISTOLA CH Dog

    Good read and understanding in what you want and will except...
    you have the rare dog that will fight when need be,,,
    you have the total opposite that will hit anything on four legs
    and there is a nice balance in those between...

    when they go after a pup they lack stability in my eyes,,,
    when they fight when breeding they lack that same survival of the next generation sense...

    the reason the cordobas come extinct is they lost their natural sense of reproduction and raising the young ins...

    I think the hardcore dog fighters that except this are breeding this into these dogs with some strains whether they know it or not...

    If they cant tell the difference in a helpless pup,,,
    they are not to far away from telling the difference in a human baby or adult for that matter...

    What do you except and what will you tolerate???
     
  13. CajunBoulette

    CajunBoulette CH Dog

    Comparing a young animal to young child is really pushing it. Some dogs don't like dogs period no matter size or sex. I've got a few that will go after any animal unfortunate enough to find itself within reach. Same coin I have a male that tolerates pups and bitches, I doubt it means he is more intelligent becAuse he's to dumb to go in his house when it's raining lol
     
  14. ELIAS'PISTOLA

    ELIAS'PISTOLA CH Dog

    I agree but I said its merely a step away from attacking anything that moves...
     
  15. TROTLINE

    TROTLINE Top Dog

    As soon as I saw this A gyp popped into my memorie banks "Black Georgia" she would kill and eat the pups quick! One litter from her she was at least 10 we took turns waiting for them to drop!
     
  16. ELIAS'PISTOLA

    ELIAS'PISTOLA CH Dog

    Damn did you become a member and edit your post TROTLINE,,, I liked the other version...
    I know of a bad bad bitch that had the same tendency,,,
    she ate a pup that wasnt hers to begin with ate her first and second litters and half of her third...
    The further in years she got and from battle as well as the over all distance to other dogs seemed to help her take care of her
    later litters,,, sometimes patience pays off...

    Bottle feeding and incubating new borns properly is very time consuming work and a job in itself...
     
  17. Saiyagin

    Saiyagin Chihuahua

    Wrong again you dumb fuck LOL, as this is what separates "Animal Aggression", from "Human Aggression"....There are more bulldogs that are Animal aggressive then Human aggressive that is just a FACT, that you seem to want to deny because you are a Cheerleader. LMAO
     
  18. Red Cemtre

    Red Cemtre Big Dog

    Eating pups at birth is a completely different issue to do with hormones etc had dogs that didn't have an ounce of dog aggression in them eat their pups. I don't think you can put human and dog aggression in progressive stages, they are so separate from each other. Like CB said some dogs will just go anything with hair. I've seen bitches get sick of their pups at 4 weeks of age and start killing em. None of these dogs would ever bite a human regardless of how much they were tormented. A buddy of mine however has a jeep/redboy male that loves playing with pups but will eat anyone who comes in his chain spot, kid or not. There are three people still living that can touch that dog and escape without bleeding. I should add the only reason that dog is still alive is due to proving exceptionally game. Funnily enough he hasn't produced a single human aggressive pup in his 14 years of life
     
  19. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    It really depends on the dog. Some will, some will not allow pups to be around them. The ones that do are in the minority. GRCH Virgil had as much finish as any dog ever when in the box but there are countless pictures and videos of him getting shredded by 6 week old pups. He would just lay there.

    Ch. Angel had 3 box RIP's in her career. On Sundays she was taken to the river and turned loose with two blue heeler cattle dogs. They ran and played like pups for hours on end, even doing the play fight thing. Step over a wall and a something clicked in her head.

    Ch. Charlie on the other hand was a maniacal serial killer. Anything that moved was fair game. We fed him once after work, and he was getting a rub down. I was covering some walls in the building. I dropped a box of screws. I got down on all fours to pick them up and looked up. We made eye contact and he tensed, leaned forward and was not far from making a scratch. I'm going to lie and tell how game I planned to be, but truth be told I was figuring out how to cur before he ever got there. Luckily he was restrained til I got back on my feet.

    The dogs are a double edged sword. One can't celebrate a GRCH killer on one post and then make it a slight on a dog when he won't/can't distinguish between what he can and can not kill. Not that fair is best word, but it is not fair to the dog. We celebrate breeders who create monsters and freaks but then find it a fault in the dogs when that is who they are.

    I allow my pups to be with each other for as long as those particular dogs will allow. At some point one of them will break up their friendship and it is off to a chain or separate pen/kennel. Once they show they need to be separated they stay separated.

    The eating of pups can be attributed to a number of things. Sometimes it an be animal aggression. We had a Buck bred bitch a number of years back that was fine with pups if they did not make noise. Whine or whimper or bark and it was over. It took the first litter to figure it out. The second, she had the pups, was separated and only had contact to feed them while we held her down. They could nurse with no issue, just not make noise while they did so.

    We have a Mims bitch that had pups the same week as the Buck bitch and she would raise hers and everyone else's. Great brood female. Any other time she is a bat shit-fight crazy Red Boy bitch.

    The biggest mistake people can make in these dogs is making judgements based on groups, or families or strains, or lines, and most importantly, or worst case, the breed. Every dog is an individual and must be graded as an individual. There will always be tendencies amongst families and lines but nothing ever is written in stone when it comes to dog. Nothing.

    An older fellow who farmed with us when I was a kid use to say, "Will he bite?, "He has teeth don't he?". Pretty much that if something is born with teeth, in time he will bite something. Good or bad, he will bite something.

    S
     
  20. TROTLINE

    TROTLINE Top Dog

    Then you have just A few like Gr.Ch. Doggie, he pretty much ran loose around the house. Just A great kids dog, played with A couple mutts and A cat daily raised by George H. granddaughter Jodey!! He always had his eyes covered when he went to the job site and left.. A totally different animal then.......just took care of business quick! One thing though me personally I never trusted anything older than A pup around anything or anybody who didn't know what they were doing! I never had an incident but heard to many bad stories to take A chance!
     

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