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How would you say she's bred?

Discussion in 'APBT Bloodlines' started by Thunder98, Jul 27, 2015.

  1. Thunder98

    Thunder98 Big Dog

    I realize she is inbreed from a bro /sis breeding but taking the mother or father pedigree what would u say. I see redboy jock jeep rascal with a sprinkle of bolio through goldy 2. From Tupac I see red boy jock chinaman nigerino with bolio also. Scattered bred line bred what do u think. I see common ancestors its just far back until it was tightened up. All responses will be appreciated. ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [479885] :: BOBBY'S STEW
     
  2. Red Jam

    Red Jam Pup

    I would call it scatter bred.
     
  3. patjr

    patjr Top Dog

    Marmalade looks like orange jam to me...what do you call it???:...confused:
     
  4. StarLion

    StarLion Pup

    A Soldier Boy bred dog...
     
  5. DWBK

    DWBK Pup

    Son them boys are peddlers. Dogs were bred as pups n their pups were bred to each other as pups. Bred for makin a quick buck on names.
     
  6. Thunder98

    Thunder98 Big Dog

    This female will be 2 in September i dunno about the quick buck as she didn't break the bank like some others I've purchased, but just as good. The parents were of age so I thought when looking and asking about them. To be as inbreed as she is, you can't tell it , she's smart as can be sometimes too smart. Not a true pedigree reader so I wanted a little in sight or thoughts on her. I appreciate all comments.
     
  7. rroscoe

    rroscoe Lightner Hemphill / Colby

    don't worry many dogs will stand on there own and alone at times spend time in training and a good keep then see as for now structure shape and smarts are always good I found too tight inbreeding shortens dogs life is all
     
  8. Thunder98

    Thunder98 Big Dog

    I appreciate the words of encouragement rroscoe. Your right out of 6 only 2 remain and I would say it was the inbreeding. So far she's in good health at least as far as I can c with the naked eye. Preciate the comment tho. I kinda like her.
     
  9. ELIAS'PISTOLA

    ELIAS'PISTOLA CH Dog

    ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [468046] :: SOLDIERBOY'S LEMONHEAD ...half the ped...
    As far as being "inbred", only one generation that came from different linages and thats the best way is to take a loosebred dog and inbreed back to tighten it...
    As far as being"scatterbred". id say NO as ther are a few common names back in the pedigree that would make it more "linebreed" as opposed to "scatterbred"...
    As far as being "linebred", I d say shes linebred Redboy,Chinaman and BOLIO with a touch of Jeep/Rascal...
    ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [192253] :: SOLDIERBOY'S TUPAC
    Tupac is half of the pedigree and is line bred on the bad companys johnny ex sadie breeding from a chinaman/boy/snooty line...
    Also Tupac is also linebred redboy from heavy d, daisey mae and yellow with bolio from buck/ butkus and red storm...
    ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [445095] :: SOLDIERBOY'S GOLDY II
    Goldy2 is the other half the pedigree and mostly redboy blood with some jeep rascal on the bottem, but a little bolio from butkus's sire buck...
    You female is a four way cross of redboy/frisco/butkus and black jack...

    Dont worry about her being inbred as long as the parents are sound, the linage is loose enough in the back of the pedigree that shes not inbred om a certian bloodline or family, plus alot of breeders feel that a inbred dog will produce good outcrossed and 357 is my favorite example of how to inbreed...
    ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [10693] :: SUPER KENNEL'S 357 (4XW)
     
  10. Thunder98

    Thunder98 Big Dog

    Pistols I can't even lie I believe you breed them lol. You and the guy that knows theses dogs well explained it to me only you were much cleaner. He used the same dog as an example as well. Much much appreciated. I saw the same common ancestors but just thought they were too far back. This is a rednosed dog coming from 2 blacknosed . 6 pups 1/2 rednosed 1/2 blacknosed. She resembles Goldy & Goldy 2. She loves to work. 4 way cross mmmm.
     
  11. ziggy311

    ziggy311 Big Dog

    It's an inbred Soldier Boy Family of dogs.
    Full brother/sister. Makes it inbred re-guard less of what it comes down from. Line bred, scatter bred or outcross.
    The dog itself is inbred.
    Dogs in the 4th generation are only 6.25% unless more than once.
    This is out of 100% of that dog re-guard less .
    NO Factor.
    Even then if it looks like one in the 4th generation, 90% of the time it's a Hy-bred in the Putt net square.
    Looks like one but carry or act like another one.
    All of that & less are "only components that make up the Soldier boy family".
    Novices get stuck on certain famous names found in books not realizing that others families , & even the fact that they themselves can compose there own families from scratch.
    When it's pure like that, it's a Soldier boy dog or who ever has bred several lines together to make there own.

    Everything past the 4th generation ," Doesn't Matter" when they are mixed up from different families.
    It just don't, not mixed up with a bunch of different families.
    The 5th generation is only 3.?% , 6th generation is only 1.?% , 7 is "Negative %" & so on. everything else is negative%.
    All of this is how much out of 100%. 6% & less is nothing to 100%. Nothing to make a difference .
    That's why "REAL & TRUE BREEDERS & DOGMEN" only worry about what's in the 1st "3 "generations!
    They are only components."
    They breed for performance not names. be it unknown or known.


    When people talk about dogs past the 4th generation especially ones that are scrambled & not pure than there either confused or just peddling.

    Leave them alone. Once or twice in the 7th & 8 generation don't mean squat! less than 1 % out of that 100%.
    No effect on dog!

    Been doing this for over 40yrs & still shake my head @ how they read pedigrees these days.
     
  12. ELIAS'PISTOLA

    ELIAS'PISTOLA CH Dog

    You can call it a soilder boy dog if thats what you want, with some ziggy deluxe...
    Forty years breeding to make yourself happy is cool, but how has your dogs impacted the game???
     
  13. Thunder98

    Thunder98 Big Dog

    Good post Ziggy it makes sense as well. Thanks for your thoughts on the subject.
     
  14. ziggy311

    ziggy311 Big Dog

    Simple Sir.
    #1. "I'M NOT A PEDDLER"! These aren't for the public.
    That's why no one has them!


    I was brought into this by people who bred dogs only for themselves. I probably have bred fed & worked more dogs as an individual more than most you have ever heard of.
    1st hand experience with 15 generations. Dogs, belly mates & 1/2 siblings to the dogs. In over the last 2 decades have not just created a single line but almost a dozen different lines.
    #2 There's still 2 or 3 people that started me out in the 70's & I have pics from the 70's but with over 40yrs of experience I am not even 5o yrs old yet.
    meaning that I am still younger than most of the famous names I get compaired to as far as impact.
    T. Garner is pretty young next to folks like Boudreaux, Sorrells ,Clemmons , Hammonds, Patrick & so on but reality T.Garner is still almost 20yrs older. Even Cali Jack is older.
    All of that is to say "if you choose to compare my work against any moa past or present, subtract my age from his & give me that more yrs to match & exceed his stats!
    Folks like Bert Sorrells, Clemmons & so forth or in there late 80's . Bert & Floyd maybe even 90's like Jack Kelly. So came back around 40-45 yrs from now & see what I had done by the time I'm there age.
    Even Brian Baily & Rod Kershner were older than me.
    #3 . Impact #1. The family I have is one of the fewest if not only families you can find today based on something other than peddled out dogs. If you can buy there anywhere & everyone has them then there is nothing special about it. Red Boy, Eli, Bolio , Jeep & so on. You can go to any state & buy them dogs from anybody these days. "BUT YOU CANNOT BUY A ZIGGY DOG , JOHNIE DOG, BOSSMAN DOG OR TINY DOG!
    These are rare. These dogs have outclassed all of them dogs many of times for many of years in very short order. In every aspect of the game. Hog Hunting ,weight pull confirmation you name it!
    NOT EVERY ONE DEAL WITH EVERYONE. NOT EVERYONE WAN'T TO KNOW EVERYONE & NO ONE WANTS TO LET OUT SOMETHING RARE TO BE MASS PRODUCED & MASS OWNED!
    These dogs aren't for anyone who wants one or with a dollar. They just aren't.
    Over 20yrs the few that had people gotten them have taken these dogs & mixed with those BIG NAME families & put there papers on my dogs. Just a fact.
    We still here about & bust people putting JEEP pares & Red Boy papers on Johnie dogs or ELI or Frisco papers on Bossman dogs.
    Me & a few friends have a standing joke around here. If I ever DNA my dogs a whole lot of faces or going to change nation wide! Too many dirty people hung papers on my dogs & sold them as other families.
    IF YOU GET A HEAD DOG with high prey drive from a family not known for it you just might have a little in it.
    Red ,tan black & fawn & white dogs with white muzzle socks & saddles around necks especially.
    The impact of someone my age is to come. If I ever choose to open to public which hasn't been done yet!
    I'm still waiting for a few more old heads to call it quits before I even consider it.
    I promise you Elias' Pistola, I probably have more actual grand Ch's, ch's & winners than most. Fact!
    Everything I breed from start to finish come down from GRAND CH"S!
    Everything! I just breed for me as a hobby & nothing else. These dogs aren't for the public. If they were I would let the go for cheap just to stack the deck like all of the famous peddlers did.
    15 generartions & over 20yrs is way more than most did keeping them to themselves! Check them records. Have a good one!


    #4
     
  15. Grabo86

    Grabo86 Big Dog

    Ziggy do you have some Pictures of your awesome Dogs? Show em!
     
  16. ziggy311

    ziggy311 Big Dog

    Far too many to show them all. Almost 100 registered litters & @ least 12-25% more that never even been registered since the start.
    But here's a few. Old ,new & so on. ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [453407] :: HICKS HOG WRK N DOGS
    ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [528736] :: HICKS M-88 , Planned for next year or year after ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [526777] :: HICK'S BULLDOG BABY #3 ... Just too many. Some old bossman dogs ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [453496] :: BROWN / PALMER CROSS ,ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [165883] :: HICKS BOSS LADY , ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [143667] :: HICKS RICK JAMES ,ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [377807] :: BOI BOI , ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [534068] :: HICK'S CREATURE FEATURE ,ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [310049] :: HICKS YUMMY YUMMY
    I just so too many to show 10% of them. Just have to google & look up some more for yourself.
     
  17. ziggy311

    ziggy311 Big Dog

    You can't post website so just look up Hicks bred dogs for more pics
     
  18. ziggy311

    ziggy311 Big Dog

    This is just a few. You can pair up & breed any two dogs out of this few cross to other pair or however. Point is "MY DAYS OF GOING OUT OF MY YARD" has been over.
    Don't have to inbreed to keep going.
    And my work with this family EXCEEDS all the other families I crossed into them.
    I might show off peds but don't pass out dogs!
    PROBABLY ONE OF THE "RAREST FAMILY" OF DOGS THESE DAYS BRED FROM SCRTATCH & NOT BASED ON SOMEONE ELSE'S PEDDLED OFF DOG.
    Originonal dogs,originonal dogman!
     
  19. ELIAS'PISTOLA

    ELIAS'PISTOLA CH Dog


    When the first couple generations are no names, you go back to the most significant individuals that are the closest in the ped,
    you need more then a couple generations to linc cetrian common factors and line breed, but being a novice breeder you think that only the first two generations
    are key... sure in theory the parents and grandparents are most inportant, but unless they are from a proven family or have proven themselves to be known as a line such as butkus, than you skip to the most significant names, dog or breeder and see if there a common linc...
    The first couple generations only tell you if they are inbred, you would have to go back to see if they are line bred or scatterbred, so yes third generation plus are important...
    How can you say that a dog from way back in the pedigree, might not pop up and hold relevance...
    Or in your case of ziggys foundation from the seventies that was solid staff, the chances of those poping up are also likely...


    SURE!!! been breeding since you were ten years old and have worked more dogs than anyone on here...
    Sounds like little KenitoDrake all grown up...

    I admire when somebody breeds to make themselves happy...
    But when you act like you are breeding a certian type of dogs specificaly for work, and you pop up on every thread from corvino to tombstone to what ever and promote your dogs that you been breeding since you were ten, its my natural instinct to question them...
    You promote that stuff to the public, but not dogmen??? name single dog from forty yeras of breeding that you beat, or a dogman that can vouch for you...
    I see your type all the time, start as a kenitodrake, mive to a thompson kennels and on to old ziggys half a century... Same type of person, differnt stages of life...

    As a matter of fact I started a thread for you called the staff catalyst, I know you been holding back... please share how it was done, I primed it (blu)for you...
    Or start another thread on how ziggy made something from the wrong kinda scratch...
    ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [115764] :: HICKS CANJVAN #5
     

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