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How would you say she's bred?

Discussion in 'APBT Bloodlines' started by Thunder98, Jul 27, 2015.

  1. OsageDogman2014

    OsageDogman2014 Big Dog

    Along the same line as past the 2nd generation "Doesn't matter".....

    I have a friend that I've known for over 20 years and he has owned and bred these dogs for over 35 years. We made up a pedigree for one of his "yard dogs" that he had running the yard. She was a product of over 5 generations of "yard dogs" that he had. We started from her beginning, of her great, great grandmother.

    He had a well bred, fully proven female APBT that came in heat and he happened to not need to breed her. He didn't pen her up because he had never had any strays come calling....lol...Well, this time it was different and he woke up in the middle of the night to all his dogs going crazy. There was a Border Collie hung up with her. Now being the decent man that he is, he let her whelp all the pups and placed all of them except for a little brindle female which he kept as a "Yard dog". This was the beginning of his "yard dogs".

    When she grew up and came in heat, she mated with one or more of his APBT stud dogs and had a litter. The same with one of her daughters over time, etc.... Do you see where this is going?

    Long story short, he had a dog that was bred back to his APBT studs from this first Border Collie/APBT cross for 5 generations. When you looked at the pedigree and wrote in the Border Collie at the bottom of the 5th generation, it was an awesome looking pedigree, full of his wonderful APBT dogs......except for the Border Collie way back in the 5th generation.

    That one dog in the 5th generation ruined everything and you could not get any kind of decent APBT out of that stuff. Sure the dogs looked like APBT's, but they sure as hell were not like the fine bred, first class APBT's my friend raised and showed. Not even close! Most people didn't even have a clue and if he hadn't been a decent man, he could have registered them and sold all of them to unsuspecting buyers.

    Dogs in the background really do matter whether you can see or understand what it expresses. Sometimes it is obvious like in my friends collie cross, sometimes it is very subtle. But, it is there and nobody will ever convince me otherwise.
     
  2. Thunder98

    Thunder98 Big Dog

    OsageDogman I see where your coming from.
     
  3. ziggy311

    ziggy311 Big Dog

    Dumbest shit I ever heard!

    You obviously really don't know 1/2 of what you think.

    A scatter bred dog is just that. "SCATTER BRED". Peddlers & novices don't know this. 25% & the other 75% is scatter doesn't make it that 25%. It just means that it has that bloodline it. It's still a scatter bred dog. To pick a known name as you are suggesting is strait either dumb or just a peddler . Once that dog that is 25% is bred to anything the pups will be only 1/8 of the blood. Only 12.5% out of 100%.
    2nd these aren't the 1st dogs from the 70's & everyone who knows me now that! Now you are reaching for stuff.
    3rd. Only peddlers & novices go after what your dogs are bred off of NOT KNOWING IT'S THE BLOOD YOU COMPETE AGAINST NOT WHAT YOU COMPETE WITH!
    You can have a Pure Redboy & never win nothing . It don't matter ,But if you have a scatter brted dog that beats Pure Red Boys, Jeep, Frisco' & so forth than you base dogs off performance & not papers.
    It's you & people like you that breed dogs based on what you heard & papers.
    IT don't matter what you compete with it's what you compete against.
    MY DOGS CAN'T READ & NEVER COULD & I NEVER CARED BECAUSE IT DIDN'T MATTER IF THE COMPETION LOST! FACT! THEY LOST!
    Get over Papers & get into performance.
    I really don't know who you are Elias pistolas but I really know that you don't know much about what your talking about when it comes to this .
    You wanna see these dogs work them catch a re run on a TV show or find someone with them.
    WHAT'S A THOMPSON?! I supposed to now them? Never heard of them & I been around! My peds are my proof.
    You just showed me that you are in no way shape form or fashion on my level. You just aint sorry don't take it personal but you are a real confused about a whole lot made simple.
    What few dogs have been let go were open to all. Go find someone with one to entertain what it's is on your mind. I'm pretty sure they open for shows.
    Sound like a litter jealous talking about dogs you haven't seen & people you don't know. I guys your one of the pedigree pimps peddling paper dragons.
    That's what it sounds like to me!
    All about the papers & how he's bred .

    But seriously I wouldn't feed anything from your yard. You breed papers I breed working dogs re-guard less of color or papers. I'm only concerned about did he win and nothing else.
    We all seen on TV who's watching this site!
    There is nothing you feed or own that would impress me or those I deal with from reading this. Nothing. I wish you luck & the best but you can see these dogs hunting on a TV show. Legally! ;)
     
  4. ziggy311

    ziggy311 Big Dog

    Once again talking about dogs you haven't seen & people you don't know.
    Talking about Canjvan only prove you don't know much about anything.
    Because YOU JUST PROVED YOU DON"T KNOW NOTHING ABOUT NOTHING!
    Please by all means go by papers. I'll say this much . She had brothers both full & have, uncles , grandparents & Great grand Parents that couldn't be beat & were open to anyone! One of her 1/2 brothers -Grand Father went 1:32 OTC , lost both front ends & scratch twice on his belly for the "W". That dog was Strick Nine, Ziggy, But you haven't ever seen the dog !
    Bolio didn't do it, Frsico didn't , Red Boy , & so on! But you are going to question Cajvan. How about her son Johnie?!
    3 hunts & wins in 3 weeks! #4) 6 months later. Nothing lasting 10 mins with Johnie!!
    You dam right Cajvan! She comes down from GR Ch Crum on the bottom & Bad Dream has GR CH Boomerang on his topside coming thru Bocephus! Re- Look @ Cajvan Pedigree! YOU MISSED A LOT!
    Like I said. I breed Bulldogs & not papers.Not stories & dam sure not what someone else did.
    I'll tell you & who ever this much about real bulldogs & dog men.
    A dog man's yard is just like a race or any game.
    "IT NEVER MATTER HOW YOU START THE RACE BUT HOW YOU FINISH THE RACE.
    Elias don't go fishing for Cajvan when this is in your face .
    ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [526777] :: HICK'S BULLDOG BABY #3 .
    But real dog men already know this so there's shouldn't have been a need to tell you.
     
  5. Thunder98

    Thunder98 Big Dog

    Ok fellas lets chillout. Both of you have your takes on how good dogs can be formed. Lets just leave it at that. No need to clown ONLINE or prove anything..JMO.
     
  6. ziggy311

    ziggy311 Big Dog

    You are right Sir & I apologize for my part. Have a good one.
     
  7. ELIAS'PISTOLA

    ELIAS'PISTOLA CH Dog

    Very well said, a border collie bulldog is just that....YOU CAN GIVE THEM SOME IVOMEC TO TEST THEM,lol...
     
  8. keystone

    keystone CH Dog

    e.p ...ziggy ..has a point ...
    i also think much of the info you put on this board ......about dogman and dogs you know nothing about so much
     
  9. ELIAS'PISTOLA

    ELIAS'PISTOLA CH Dog

    The most funny thing is...since the outing with Ziggy that ended up getting erased, he really tightend up on his game as...
    I first called him out on the side notes on his pedigrees, as they said old time famous names such as Tudor, Heinzel,Corvino,Sorrells etc......
    But he spelled them Tuder, Henzil,Corveno and Sorels, and they were right thier on his ped, a click away to varify...
    WHEN USING OLD TIMERS NAMES TO SELL YOUR DOGS, DONT BUTCHER THEM UP LIKE YOU HAVE THIER BLOOD!!!
    Well if Ziggys dogs are any of indication of thier owner, I am sure thier are getting better... HE CLEANED UP THE PEDS AND ERASED THE NAMES...
    Not only is the ugly part of the ped that should say nothing gets further away, and better blood gets introduced...
    Now a year later hes talking about the first couple of generations... OF ZIGGY HICKS HOG HUNTER DELUXES( no longer sold to pubelick)AS SEEN ON TV...

    Dont get me wrong, Ziggy, I do like a solid family of versitle working dogs...But also believe you should advertise them as that...
    I personally like what thier doing over thier with the american setinal k9s, as they have an multiple objectives for what they breed for and work,work, work is it...
    No need to act like someone your not and say the silly things you do...
     
  10. steinlin

    steinlin Premium Member Premium Member

    Nice stuff..basic teal/carver...
    scatterbred? where?
     
  11. ziggy311

    ziggy311 Big Dog

    Know most of the people & seen most of the dogs in the Tupac & lemon head dogs .

    Good solid dogs.

    Here's some .
    ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [207116] :: AMADOR'S KATRINA
    ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [295194] :: POETIC JUSTICE A.I.K.Y.A
    ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [379597] :: HICKS HOT SUNDAY
     
  12. Thunder98

    Thunder98 Big Dog

    Thanks a million again Ziggy311 man, I like those dogs you posted...Small world, thanks for the replies....she's a very, very smart dog & more than willing to please. Loves the family, just an all around good female... I like her..A hard worker and loves it. Most definitely appreciate it the response..
     

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