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I want to switch to raw lil help needed.

Discussion in 'Health & Nutrition' started by da boss, Oct 14, 2014.

  1. da boss

    da boss Pup

    Hey guys I'm currently feeding wainwrights lamb&rice and I want to switch to raw after loads of research. My dogs are in good shape I just want better for my dogs and I ain't going to beat raw.

    Here's a website I'm going to be getting my raw from if use guys give me the thumbs up.

    they love it dog food raw barf minced chicken for dogs

  2. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    Most of the time if you buy it like that it can be pricey. Look at the ingredients, and make it yourself.

    Look for deals at your local grocery stores, processing plant or butcher shop. Usually the deals are better when you can buy in bulk. Having freezer storage space helps also.

    Good luck. It is not as hard or complicated as it appears in the beginning. S
  3. da boss

    da boss Pup

    Thanks mate much appreciated if you was to buy from them which would you go for?
  4. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    I would go with the chicken mince with offal.S
  5. Beatrix Kiddo

    Beatrix Kiddo Top Dog

    The chicken w/ offal mix would be good for a part of the diet. The more protein variety the better and red meats/organs are richer in nutrition. I try to keep 50% of my dogs diet red meat. I would search for local butchers, meat processors, hunters for more cost effective sources. good luck

    check out Prey Model Raw - PMR dog food
  6. da boss

    da boss Pup

    Oh thanks guys, so I have a abbatoirs near my house and I want to know exactly what I need to be getting I have an idea but want some more advise off use guys who have more experience. Tahnks
  7. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    Basically anything beef and chicken. The fat content is vital as well. I stay away from pork but I know several who feed it with no issues. I try to switch the beef and chicken up as much as I can but sometimes it is predominantly one or the other for several days.

    This week I am going thru some deer hams and shoulders out of a freezer I need to clean out. They have all been fed heavy on the deer meat for the last three to four days. Maybe a couple more and I can get the freezer emptied.

    My feed is a very simplistic raw version. There are better plans out there, but what I do is economical, convenient and is better for the dogs than if I spent the same amounts on bag food. Believe it or not the number #1 reason for people switching away from raw is time and convenience. It is a heck of a lot harder to raw feed than to feed out of a bag. Prep time and feeding time can eat up several hours per week.

    I feed:
    Red meats and chicken and organ meat. I send vegetables thru a juicer. ( I drink the juice and they get the pulp). I add different oils, from fish oils, menhaden, cod liver, etc.etc. I add wheat germ oil. I used cooked greases (meats and fish). I use lard (pork fat). I also add a 1/2 multi vitamin every other day. I try to feed bones when I can but if I fall short on anything, it is the meaty bones. Their source of bones is thru the chicken. Seldom do I feed red meat bones, unless it is from the deer meat.

    I rotate the oils and fats as much as I can. I try to do four or five days of the veggie mix at a time. I mix the veggies, oils, fats, etc. in a bucket. The cooked greases will help the switch to raw with the veggies.

    Most dogs will eat everything that is put in front of them. The absorption/assimilation rates are different for raw food vs. bag food so there will be several adjustments in the first few months to dial in the right amounts.

    Hope it helps. There is tons of information out there. Whole prey model is a great method. I did it for a while but it was not very economical or convenient for me but it works well for others. BARF.com is a lot of great information.

    A lot of the commercial type raw plans are very expensive. I research what they are doing, identify their ingredients, buy things separately and then do my own version. Bottom line is that it has to work for you and your individual situation in order to make it work for the dogs. S
  8. Beatrix Kiddo

    Beatrix Kiddo Top Dog

    I'm still working on sourcing so a good amount of my stuff is store bought. But here is a list of some of the things i buy and feed:

    beef - boneless, heart, liver, tripe, tongue
    pork - boneless, ribs
    chicken - necks, backs, quarters, gizzard, heart, liver, feet
    turkey - legs, necks, ground
    duck - heads, necks, frames
    goat - bone-in meat
    lamb - bone-in & boneless meat, tripe
    sardines - whole

    Trying to find lung, pancreas, brains to add to my menu. other than that I also feed a fruit/veg puree daily, raw egg twice a week. I supplement with alternating coconut oil and salmon oil

    alterations can always be made, but for now this is working for us.
  9. Harky

    Harky Pup

    Don't let people put you off feeding raw because it sounds complicated. It's as easy as you want to make it on a raw diet. I used to follow Ian Billinghurst's books on raw feeding then I just started feeding the dogs raw meaty bones and very little of anything else. They now just get chicken frames mostly with some lamb offcuts on a weekly basis. I give them a lambs liver once a week. They get one tin of sardines a week as well. It is really easy and the dogs love it. Their teeth always look clean. Their shit isn't like glue when you walk on it. Biggest bonus I've seen over the last eighteen years is the difference it makes when I get an adult dog off someone who hasn't been feeding raw. The dog's health always improves heaps after about 6 months of feeding raw.
  10. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    It is not that it is complicated, it is that it is/can be time consuming. Their is planning, buying in bulk, storage, etc. etc. That is the part that sways most the other way. S
  11. Harky

    Harky Pup

    Nature can teach us a lot about how to feed raw. Dingoes and wild dogs leave the grass bag in a herbivore after the kill. Try feeding it to a puppy and it may eat it a couple of times then stop. It contains broken down plants and grasses in a fairly undigested state. No good for a canine all that starch and cellulose. Undigestible in fact. Once it is digested and excreted out then it is easier for the dog to digest because it is more processed. I met an acquaintance of Ian Billinghurst four years ago. She had been into the raw thing from the beginning along with him. I was told he wrote that stuff about juicing and feeding the pulp to the dogs to sell his books. He came up with the idea. He was a vet with a practise at Lithgow in NSW when he wrote the books.
    He used to treat farm animals but I can assure you he wasn't a hunter. Observation of what goes on outside a veterinary surgery can help when raising dogs. Everything we do with dogs becomes more complicated because of our precognitioned mind set. Generally we have an agenda and then stick to it because we THINK that is the way. Feeding raw is very easy for anyone who observes animals in a natural setting.
  12. Harky

    Harky Pup

    Power went out. I'm on 4 solar panels. I invented a new word. Sorry. We can learn a lot from our own puppies too. Often I mistake good instinctive sense and perceive it as being obstinate and unwilling to oblige me with whatever dietary fad I'm imposing on the puppy. I have never had much luck with commercial dog food. I am always amazed how quickly a puppy adapts to a raw diet.
    Thirty years ago when rabbits were plentiful in Australia I would raise puppies on roadkill. There were that many rabbits where I lived. Places I would take dogs walking, on the way there it was hard to avoid hitting them in the car. The puppies would relish them and become expert rabbit eaters after about one go. The instincts kicked in and they knew just what to do.
  13. JayW

    JayW Big Dog

    I get bags of bones and suet from a local butcher shop... occasionally I'll give them chicken, pork neck bones, canned mackerel, brown rice with some kind of vegetable or a multi vitamin for variety, but honestly they seem to thrive on the meaty scraps from the butcher. Their favorite is squirrel or rabbitcicle in the summertime. I just shoot them and freeze them whole and halve them up with a hatchet when it feeding time. I really don't spend allot of time sourcing stuff to feed them and it's still far cheaper and maybe even healthier than kibble. JM2C
  14. poorfarmkennels

    poorfarmkennels Big Dog

    are there any animals you all wouldn't feed raw like possum, racoon or coyote?
  15. JayW

    JayW Big Dog

    Possum just looks too nasty to give to a dog I like.... and coons are out of the question. I've never fed them yote and won't need to with all the squirrel and rabbit we have around here.
  16. da boss

    da boss Pup

    Would it be bad if say for example I put my dogs on just the chicken mince with offal from the website I posted. Thanks

    Ps; ip can't seem to get my head round things
  17. Laced Wit Game

    Laced Wit Game Yard Boy

    Seems like your over thinking it. Cup of brown rice, chicken quarter & an egg with salmon oil & thats it. Better than the best and cheaper than the cheapest..
  18. Beatrix Kiddo

    Beatrix Kiddo Top Dog

    fed lamb testicle today for the first time, it was pretty interesting.... just had to share.
  19. old goat

    old goat CH Dog

    oh your mean lol .
  20. Laced Wit Game

    Laced Wit Game Yard Boy

    Bk ate the other one...lol

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