indian bolio/zebo men biters?

Iam doing this thread to ask a qustion to all you dogmen and dogwemon on famous dogs that were men biters but were grate dogs in the [ ] and of there time I just want get opinions on this. You know how no good dogmen or women would tolerate a men biter in there yard right well you have herd the storys of bolio and zebo how they were men biters what would you of done if you went back in time or pretend that you were the ones that raise these dogs and noticed that this was a problem what were you of done or even with these new ones iam not saying they are but just pretend like macho buck or mayday would you tolerate a man biter or would you try to correct it or culled them I just want on what people would do. Hopefully people understand what iam trying to say

 

If the stories are true, I would of never known their ability, as they would of been culled at the first major sign of human-aggression.

 

I've got several Bolio dogs & none of them are HA whatsoever. Personally, I'd cull them in a heartbeat if they were. It's people over dogs.....Period.

 

PP has said many times he never saw any human aggression in Bolio when he had him

TG said he never saw any human aggression in Chinaman when he had him as an old dog.

People like to talk, mostly people that are jealous they dont have something of equal quality, so they talk trash.

if they didnt bite in combat, they would more then not be kept. Dogs in the past were not bred to sell pups on the net as pets and didnt end up running around backyards without being contained, so they werent a threat to bite anyone. Dogs were bred by dogmen and kept by dogmen.

times are different now, mainly the internet, it changed everything

 

all the bolio dogs ive met were good natured well tempered dogs.

 

I always wondered if dogs like Bolio,Zebo,Bullyson known for being man bitters maybe were bad educated/socialized or even if they had bad experiences with humans and resulted on this HA.

I dont believe on dogs just being human agressive for no reason, but i agree on the culling thing.

 

Iam not saying all bollio dogs would be bred like that iam just talking about indian bollio and zebo there dog men tolerated it would you even if you knew what it could do in the pit. Today there are dog men that tolerate a men biter in there yard and iam just saying to pertend if you owned one of these dogs(indin bolio or zebo) would you of culled them.

 

That depends if we knew about the quality of these dogs before or after human aggression had surfaced.

 

everyone has their own opinion on this matter, some people would keep the dog because of the results they see in the [ ] and others wouldn't tolerate this behavior at all. To tell u the truth im not sure what i would do if i had one of those great match dogs that turned out to be HA. I want to say that i would cull it but when u look at the generations of great dogs that bolio or zebo have produced and the fact that the HA trait wasn't passed on then u begin to think maybe u shouldn't cull that dog. I think breeding the dogs and seeing what the offspring amount to will determine if those dogs should be culled or not, but then have to figure out a way to keep that HA dog secure and away from people, man i think thats probably too much work for the average person, but someone that is dedicated to the dogs could get away with it

 

i run alot of bolio dogs and i have been to mr.patricks yard a few times never heard of bolio bein a man eater but zebo proved himself time and time again to be

 

Interesting

Did any of Zebo's offspring turn out to be HA as well?

 

I only recently heard that Bolio was a man-biter. Not only did he bite, but allegedly he went after a child w/ severe malice. That is supposedly why Bennet got rid of him.

As for PP, of course he didn't say anything about it. Is that something you're going to breing up? "Oh BTW, my main stud dog almost killed a kid?" No.

Or maybe it was a one time thing. Maybe the kid did something to trigger the aggression - i.e. staring in the face/eyes, teasing, etc. After PP got the dog, he was removed out of the envoronment & the problem never re-surfaced.

As for Zebo, he wasn't a man "eater" but he was a man-biter. His biting however was territorial &/or protective in nature, it was not random or malicious in any way.

A lot of ppl like to portray Zebo as some kind of unstable "man eating" monster, but if you will read historical accounts of him, the opposite seems to be true. His biting appears to be very predicable & seems to take place only when he is protecting his master or a stranger invades his chain spot.

And no, none of his offspring were biters, although some of the modern day dogs can be protective.

 

Maybe those dogmen kept litters of those "known" man bitters to see if this trait passed on offspring or was just a bad behaviour for lack of education/socialization with strangers, kids, or other bad experiences?

I dont believe on dogs being agressive just because they are but for bad handling/experiences, now i dont know if those traits can be past offspring but im curious to know too, im just a novice.

 

From what I understand, dog men back them kept most fo what they bred.

As for the heritiability of such traits, I have heard it said many times that 80% of pups will inherit the temprament of the dam, not the sire.

I don't know if this is true or not, but I have seen it in German Shepherds. I had a GSD once that was off a spooky dam & he was spooky as well. I later found out the dam's dam was a spook too. So we had 3 generations of spooks.

 

That makes sense then, i doubt any old dogmen woulda filled his kennel with litters of man bitters, if this trait passed offspring they prolly got culled.

 

I have heard something similiar to this, but I think this is as much from socialization within the litter as it is from genetics. Probably the pups taken from the litter too soon arre the ones that don't take on the dams temperment.

 

This could be. I know many, many old dog men believe that the pups get the temprament from the dam, but they may just be mirroring what they have learned from her.

 

i have said it once and i will say it again.i will never tolerate a man biter regardless of pit ability.

 

PP wont bring up Bolio being a man biter, just the same as you ABK justifying Zebo for the man eater he was because you have Zebo dogs. Dont be so hypocritical

funny how nobody who owns Bolio bred dogs ever have man biters (ABK) go figure hah.

 

Why would I lie about it? I've got Bolio bred dogs & NO they are not manbiters. They have never shown an inkling of HA in any type of handling. And if one did, I would put it down just as we shot an amazingly bred waited-for-this-dog-for over-4-years kind of dog (Boudreaux) when he sank his canines into my upper right thigh for doing nothing more than being in his chain space & shushing him for his constant screaming at the other dogs. That bite landed me a 3 day stay at the hospital (I was pregnant & had an allergic rxn to an antiobiotic). My neighbor shot him that night.

I know everyone has different values in their lives, but my family comes before ANY dog regardless of working ability. Period. It's not worth it.