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I've never had a dog get loose.

Discussion in 'Dog Discussion' started by Randy70, Dec 22, 2017.

  1. AGK

    AGK Super duper pooper scooper Administrator

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  2. treezpitz

    treezpitz CH Dog Staff Member

    I'm hoping I can get a hint on how "serious dogman" don't have to pay for their kennel setups. All it takes is hard work and time I'm now finding out. Please point me in the direction of people handing out these kennel setups. I could use a few more. Especially these ones with roofs I'm hearing about. I'm sure those are the ones most given away. Thanks in advance.

    DISCOIII Premium Member Premium Member

    I learned at a young age that there was no free lunch any where! When all the stuff went down in 2003 I started building enclosed kennels to stay a head of the laws that were coming. I built 25 cemented and totally enclosed runs 20 yards of cement forget how much fence and lumber but total cost 12,000.00 just for material. Was it worth it maybe but the best way to keep bulldogs is on a chain and I still do keep some on a chain.
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  4. mistabonz

    mistabonz Premium Member Premium Member

    I guess what it comes down to is individual needs. Some dogs are diggers and one must improvise and adapt to ensure the diggers are kept secure! I have magnum kennels with roofs. Some of the kennels I bought new. I have 3 that I went in on with another person when an individual was getting out. Bought 6 magnums for $500 and split them. The roofs cost an average of 60-70 a piece. Rough cut lumber for framing and some used some new corrugated roofing pannels. I have 2 diggers so the grate idea works. Keeps them from digging out and allowed drainage. I guess it comes down to numbers keep what you can afford to keep and do it the right way!
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  5. promoe

    promoe Premium Member Premium Member

    all my above grounds cost around $350 to build...I have a few fenced in kennels I priced them around $500 to build with chainlinks and horsefence.. I think next year I am going to go around driving in the country and knocking on doors about the unused kennels we all see in ppls yards and offer to take it off their hands for some beer money lol!
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  6. mistabonz

    mistabonz Premium Member Premium Member

    I’ll help out the cause for a six pack moe! Lmao
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  7. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    TG's video and those type pens are nice. I'd love to go that way with all my dogs. In time I more than likely will have no choice.
    The panels are expensive in themselves and in order to get them to my area in NC I must order damn near a tractor trailer load.

    I think I will start in one corner of my fenced in area and build those types or something similar to get ahead of what is pending in our area. Regardless of which direction it will cost a whole shit pot full of money. That may have been Tree's point. All the hard work, effort and commitment to the dogs is all good and dandy, but the materials still cost money.

    I went for years and never bought a chain or swivel. My buddy worked as a lineman and there was always a bucket of 3/8th chain and 1/2" swivels on the trucks. I get a swivel here and there and toss it on the shelf. They were a little big but free. The chain the same. It was a lesser grade galvanized chain, but replacing it for free, the lesser quality did not factor.

    I have had chain accidents. A couple over the years. A former member on here was standing on my yard and telling me how awesome and kept it was and how he needed to step it up. I was like I work hard but it takes time and effort. Before I could get that out of my mouth one female with zero social skills was expressing her disapproval in who was living next door to her. Right there in front of a guest. Quite embarrassing.

    Ch. Charlie was being walked down the road when the snap on the lead broke. He made one of the best scratches one could ever imagine. 40 plus yards right into a billy goat. I'm praying please do not break your teeth and the goat's owner was cycling a 12 gage. Real ugly. I'm not sure what a regular old run of the mill billy goat costs but that one was a couple-three hundred dollars by the time we paid for the goat and the fence my fat ass mashed down going over.

    When these dogs harbor ill intentions there upkeep is demanding. And like most everything else in the world, demanding costs money.

  8. YellowJohnJocko

    YellowJohnJocko Big Dog

    I'm going to assume you're talking to me because I used the term "hard work and time".

    I never said it didn't cost money, but over time any serious dogman will come up with the materials necessary to contain their animals safely and securely. That is part of your responsibilities as a dogman.

    You are being sarcastic and passive aggressive so I felt like commenting to you initially. Why not contribute what has worked for you or just listen like the other folks on this thread? That won't cost you anything...
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  9. Blackpoison

    Blackpoison CH Dog

    Short welding course can save you money
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  10. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    It always helps with anything to have a skill that is applicable. The guy that helped me the most in these dogs had zero skills or interests in building any thing. His yard was what I modeled mine after. Chains with a perimeter fence. The brood box he paid a guy to build and then I built a new one.

    He used wood boxes and paid to have them built. I build and make just about everything in and around the dogs. His costs were always greater than mine to get to the same point. Neither method determined 'dogman' status but making sure one gets to the point, by whatever means, indicates 'dogman'.

  11. treezpitz

    treezpitz CH Dog Staff Member

    Mr. YellowJohnJocko, Mr Randy was implying that his way of doing things was the example we should all follow. Reread his original post if you need to but that's how it was typed. I simply made a point that with no roof and no type of floor to keep dogs from digging that that is no more of a secure setup than most beginners have. I think I made great points about roof and floor that nobody else mentioned. And you're exactly correct, it didn't cost me a penny.

    And in case you forgot your own post, you did imply it didn't take money. And I'm saying it does take money. Just as much of that, if not more, than the hard work and time you did mention.

    "It doesn't take riches to afford a serious dogman a nice yard set up. It takes hard work and time."

    With my discounts I can build a 10x10 chain link kennel with reinforced horse panel walls, sheet metal roof and wood framed floor for about $500. So, I went with $1k estimate for Randy's 20x20 kennels with roof and framed floor example. Like I said, most people can't afford that. That's just the truth.

    Have a good evening, YJJ.
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  12. YellowJohnJocko

    YellowJohnJocko Big Dog

    Treez, you're free to interpret the OP your own way, but no where in his post did I discern he was conveying or implying that his example was one we all should follow or that it was "easy". But rather Randy was giving us the readers an example of what has worked for him in his 50 years experience with these bulldogs. His example gave the precautions he has taken that has kept his yard safe and secure over the years. I'd imagine if he had tunnel digging or high jumping dogs he made provisions for those cases, or culled or sold those particulars to avoid issues with them.

    You see I'm no beginner but I myself have kennels set on the ground without roofing as well as kennels secured above ground with roofing. Both are secure for what dogs I place in them.

    Again I never stated it didn't take money, I said "riches" to be exact. There are many ways to source good building materials used in a dogyard. For instance I know an iron worker who takes home any leftover material from jobs that his supervisor allows. He's built several 8x10 COVERED kennels for just over $100 bucks out of pocket plus his labor welding them together.

    I've gotten enough decking from a few job sites to roof just about all of my kennels for nothing more than the fuel and my time collecting them.

    So you see while I have a set up which would probably cost well over 10 grand easy (just my kennels) to replace new. I've got far far less actual cash in my set up. I'd have to sit down and really think on it but I bet I've got less than $3,500 actual cash in my kennels, including the roof and floor decking and I probably have 48 heavy gage welded wire panels.

    You can learn something from just about anyone in these dogs, even if it's what not to do. The old timers while their methods my be somewhat outdated have a lot of knowledge to pass on as they've "been there and done that" already.

    So excuse me if I took your sarcasm personal. I feel a mutual show of respect would have been more appropriate given the op's experience. I mean who on this thread can say they beat the legendary Danny Burton in his prime with a dog who Earl Tudor witnessed and said was one of the, if not the gamest dog he ever saw (Alvin the Dog)?

    Randy isn't my hero, I don't worship him....but I damn sure respect his journey in the dogs and I've learned a thing or two from the guy. :D
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  13. treezpitz

    treezpitz CH Dog Staff Member

    Good post and I agree with everything you posted except for one minor thing. I did take it that his post was implying his way was the example we should all follow. And even though he has my upmost respect for his time with these dogs I do disagree that his way is "the way". And that's how I took his post and I know I'm not the only one. I just wanted to make a point that flooring and roofs are needed for the vast majority of our dogs. Somebody would be selling or culling a whole lot of dogs that dig or can climb/jump. Most of my dogs either do it or could do it if they felt they had a way out of their enclosure. And most people have to pay for their kennels. I wish we were able to piece them together as you mentioned but that is certainly not how most people build their kennels. Unfortunately most of us have to pay for the material at cost.

    Enjoy your Friday, my man!
    Last edited: Dec 29, 2017
  14. mccoypitbulls

    mccoypitbulls Underdog

    Bottom line....there is no "one way"...
    Everyone that has had more than "one dog" can attest to that...as most above have said..each dog and his demeanor towards his containment and actions will vary.

    All the assumptions can be cast aside by simply asking the person. Just as every dog is different, so will the perception each person has while reading input from others in a forum. The direction always falls back on the individual. Can the figure out a way to contain...or understand why the dog is doing such..

    I personally use kennels. Would i use a chain and axle..hell yes.
    I use cheap pavers around the border to prevent digging..and gravel inside...
    Do i still have to fill holes...yes..
    Dogs will always go to earth...it is the dog in them.. It may be for food....it may be for shelter...most dig at one time or another..for various reasons..

    Concrete could certainly prevent it..and keep nail trimming down some.

    I have a young male that will chew and dump his water...solution...concrete bowl...
    He is only one. The rest get a 5 gallon bucket..changed daily ...and ol bucket flipper...well..he gets has a bowling ball...but he burried it halfway near his house..

    I think each dog does something to suit themselves in their spot. Some chew houses...carve their own door ..lol
    The individuality is their beauty..like people.
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  15. mistabonz

    mistabonz Premium Member Premium Member

    I think we can all agree that owning and maintaining these dogs the right way costs money. Coming together on an open forum such as gd in a collaberative effort gives us all differing ideas on ways to care for our charges! All of us have different financial means so for me hearing everyone’s ideas on kennels, roofs, floors, etc. gives me ideas. So in saying that dogs will adapt so to must there owners. So , while setups do cost money, there are ways to save some here and there in order to have a nice secure setup for hard keepers! Gr8 info by all and keep it coming.
  16. mccoypitbulls

    mccoypitbulls Underdog

    Randy has not been back...or he would reply...until then...be patient ...or call the man for heaven sakes..if you wish ...
    No need to point fingers at who worships who....
    Might as well be like....o well...i got so n so dogs...they dont dig...chew....or even eat their own shit.....
  17. bamaman

    bamaman GRCH Dog

    I'm guessing Randy like many of us have read the news of the latest Pit Bull attacks leaving 2 different victims dead.The latest one the dam owner was in jail when the attack occurred.Setups and propper containment is always a good topic.Check your setups ,check them ,check them ,check them and check them again.
  18. bamaman

    bamaman GRCH Dog

    Johnnny Dale Langford was the owner of the 2 pit bulls in the most recent attack.Look this ass hole up on Facebook he has a page.He is a prime example of a bad owner.100 percent
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  19. ETRaven

    ETRaven Big Dog

    I'm looking to see if I can find the guy's set up somewhere. So far, I have not been able to find any pics of his yard. I'd like to have some seasoned members evaluate it for weak spots. Helps us new people learn.
  20. bamaman

    bamaman GRCH Dog

    dogs were not on a chain.Running loose from what I understand.If you ask AGK he may bump the thread he has his setup on.Its a nice ,inexpensive , secure setup.
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