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Lonzo Line

Discussion in 'APBT Bloodlines' started by Colossal, Apr 6, 2010.

  1. Colossal

    Colossal Pup

    What is the best strain of Lonzo blood out in today's era and why?? Also could a pure Lonzo dog stand his ground with no cross at all or highly unlikely
  2. LuvMyBulldogs

    LuvMyBulldogs Big Dog

    The dogs I've seen used to hunt were linebred off of lonso's muscle. Wasnt a bad dog,but i wouldnt want a yard full. The lonso strain is peddled heavy now because of the "look" they're being bred for. I heard there's a guy in WV that still breeds the lonso stuff.
  3. Tank1

    Tank1 Big Dog

    There's a member on here that has some Lonzo dogs and can tell you all you need to know about them. She'll probably post on here when she sees this so be on the lookout. (ABK)
  4. ohpitbulls

    ohpitbulls CH Dog

    From what little i have seen of the line has been good but I have not seen any that was more then about 60% thru (King Elvis)
  5. Colossal

    Colossal Pup

    yeah Tank I know ABK personally and gravely respect her opinion and was looking for more input as well
  6. ManiacKennel

    ManiacKennel Big Dog

    well i have been involved with the line personally for around 8 or 7 years now and is there stuff out there that can compete in a fast lane race yes there are good and bad dogs of every line and every line throws curs alot ppl just take from what they heard about a lonzo dog and never even seen one and i use it as a cross into mayday-jeep-and carver-eli-frisco blood and the lonzo blood i run is threw the muscle suff here is a breeding i just did GameDogPed online database there are a few kennels still very active in this line most are crossing it these days in the fast lane though but that dont mean a heavy bread or pure lonzo dog wont do the dance the flaws i seen in this line pure is short wind pipes and difficulty finishing the pros are there ability and mouth and intensity now this is just with the dogs i have persdonally delt with someone with there own dogs from this line might have a hole new opinion as i said there are good and bad dogs from every line
  7. ManiacKennel

    ManiacKennel Big Dog

  8. skipper

    skipper Big Dog

    i know a guy in KY, that has lonzo breed dogs, told me that he's had lots of them. Only a hand full have made it to the hunt.says he just keeps the pure lonzo stuff b/c ppl like the peds. but he has black paz breed dogs that are tru hunters. one you might look into is a dog call lil wayne he is a 50/50 cross lonzo & jeep. heard he was a good dog.
  9. ABK

    ABK Rest In Peace

    Hmmm. The there are several who could be called "the best." Some that I think highly of are Black Preacher, Bad Loki & of course Buba. All are proven animals producing nice stuff.

    But just like any line, the quality of dog depends on who you get it from. For example, I went out of my way to get my dogs from dogmen who had proven stock & these dogs have worked out quite well for me. But if you make the mistake of buying from someone who is breeding pedigrees or breeding for looks, you'll likely get a dud.

    Sadly, there are a lot of "greeders" (I won't bestow on them the title of "breeder") who are running the Lonzo line today purely for looks. There is a modern strain of Lonzo blood out there today that look like miniature American Bullies - short, stocky, muscle bound with huge heads. These dogs are for looks only & rarely can work worth a flip. Even if they have the heart because of the limitations of their build, rarely can they hack it as a working dog. These "modern type" Lonzo dogs sell like hot cakes b/c of their bully look, but if you're looking for a true working dog I'd wouldn't touch them with a 10 ft pole.

    Most of the dogs I mentioned (Preacher, Loki & Buba I know for sure) are what I call the "old type" Lonzo dog - they actually look like the forefathers of the bloodline - taller, rangier & higher on the leg. They have proper conformation, better wind, a hard grip & in depending on the line insane drive or wickedly sharp intelligence. These are lines I would recommend. Muscle I don't know about, as I have never owned a heavy Muscle bred dog, but I know a lot of folks who do own Muscle dogs & love them.

    So in short there really is no "best" Lonzo line. The "modern type" I'd stay away from but there are several "old type" strains to choose from, each one having it's own positive traits & attributes.

    Hope this helps.

    Blessings ...
  10. B.E.M.

    B.E.M. Pup

    One of My first mistake's was trying to run this line, but hey just cause it wasnt my cup of tea doesnt mean that somebody else wont like it;)...
  11. ABK

    ABK Rest In Peace

    I hear ya. Like they say, different strokes for different folks. I love my Lonzo dogs. BUT ... I was picky who I got/get dogs from, so I was lucky enough to get some good dogs. Just like any line however, there are good dogs & not so good dogs.

    Sadly, there are a LOT of breeders of the Lonzo line breeding for papers or breeding for the bully look, so buyer must most definitely beware. However I can say with the utmost confidence that if you get a good Lonzo dog, you can part a lot of fools from their money. And if you don't like it pure, you can cross it & it will enhance just about any line.

    A lot of people like to quote the old B. Fife article about Zebo dogs, but I have it on good authority that this same man also considered Redboy dogs "useless" & never made a breeding to a Redboy dog. ;)

    Blessings ...
  12. benthere

    benthere CH Dog Staff Member

    there is a big difference between redboy dogs and zebo dogs. redboy dogs and crosses were successful in the arena earning a well deserved reputation. zebo dogs were usually short winded curs and peddled in magazines. newbies, with their only experience in dogs being what they read in strattons books, would seek out zebo dogs or ofrn dogs making a ready market for the peddlers who advertised in the gazette and like magazines.
    personally I've never seen a zebo or lonzo dog I'd want to feed, but if I would someday look for that blood I'd start with tarheel matt. he doesn't seem to peddle b/s like so many on the zebo bandwagon.
  13. ManiacKennel

    ManiacKennel Big Dog

    are serious rb and rb crosses were way more peddeled threw the days then lonzo dogs could ever compare and that's real and if u think there were no winning dogs threw the lonzo dogs that deserve respect well i guess u never been there lol
  14. ManiacKennel

    ManiacKennel Big Dog

    ohh yeah u ever seen a gazette there are alot more rb and rb crosses then that of zebo or lonzo dogs every line is peddled just the way it is
  15. benthere

    benthere CH Dog Staff Member

    maniac, I just looked at some of your pedigrees. less than 10 years ago I had a littermate to one of the dogs in the 6th generation of your dogs pedigrees. thats 6 genreations of puppy peddlin' in 10 years or less!!
  16. ManiacKennel

    ManiacKennel Big Dog

    lol ohh yeah what dog is that
  17. LuvMyBulldogs

    LuvMyBulldogs Big Dog

    Let me start off by saying, I been dealing wit dogs long enough to know there are good and bad dogs in every line. Second I was strictly talking about the dogs I've SEEN WIT MY OWN EYES. If I was to seek out a lonzo dog, I would do my research and wouldn't be afraid to get one. That being said, I would not seek to get a pup or dog from the particular kennel I saw the two dogs hunt out of. Not even for free, wouldn't waiste my time.
  18. ABK

    ABK Rest In Peace

    I say to each his own, use whatever works for you.

    My point in mentioning the RB dogs was that people like to down the Zebo dogs (& Lonzo dogs by proxy) due to that article, but the very same man who wrote that article also thought Redboy dogs were "useless" & from what I understand, he didn't like Jeep dogs either. But look what those 2 lines have accomplished!

    Point being - look beyond the hype. The fact is a Lonzo dog who is right can bring home the bacon. Was the line peddled? Sure. But really what line isn't? Jeep/Redboy has to be one of the most peddled lines out there today & do you think they're all working out? I doubt it. I'm willing to back that they're some short winded RB or J/RB curs out there.

    Now is there some truth to some Lonzo (& to a lesser extent Zebo) dogs being short winded curs? Sure! But this stems back to what I mentioned before - poor breeding. A lot of the modern Lonzo dogs have pugged muzzles & elongated soft palates & with those defects you ARE going to be short winded b/c you cannot breathe! And if you can't breathe, you can't hunt! You'll either quit to catch your breath or you'll pass out from lack of oxygen! That is why I tell folks stay far, far away from the "modern type" Lonzo dogs b/c even if they WANT to work, their physique is not conducive to work!

    Whether folks want to recognize it or not, Lonzo made a name for himself by breeding winning dogs - Zebo, Vindy, Mike, Bug, among others. And this is not including dogs bred down from these dogs by other folks. As a result, like the J/RB line, the Lonzo bloodline became popular & some folks bred it for the wrong reasons - name, looks, reputation.

    But just like the J/RB dogs, if you buy from a breeder who has good stock, you're likely to get a good dog. But if you buy from a breeder who is breeding for the "Jeep" name or the "Redboy" name - or the "Lonzo" name for that matter - you're more often than not going to get a dog who doesn't work out.

    There is no all bad line & there is no all good line, but as I mentioned before if you get a good Lonzo dog, you'll be hooked b/c these dogs are something to behold when they're right! :)

    Blessings ...
    Last edited by a moderator: Apr 8, 2010
  19. benthere

    benthere CH Dog Staff Member

    damn, I found another one I had a littermate to in the 7th generation of the pups off your blitzen bitch, thats a whole lotta breeding in 12 years or so!
    the most important thing to consider when breeding dogs is who bred them and why. obvoiusly your dogs maniac have been bred to be sold and peddled. (by clowns like paulie).
    what are you gonna do with the pups maniac? peddle them in the gazette?
  20. ManiacKennel

    ManiacKennel Big Dog

    ohh u mean the rbj-jeep stuff in her ped there is some peddled dogs in there i am sure but i can tell u when i got blitzen she was from two proven parents both over the age of 5 and i got her for free basically and she panned out well for me and she has never had pups and going on four and this the first breeding on my yard in 5 years or so can u say the same about yours maybe so but i can tell u i will only feed worthy dogs here funny how its the rbjj blood u are talking about in the ped just proves a good point one u should look at as a hole by the way did u own dogs from paulie i never have and never will might have 1` here with that blood but that is it now dont get me wrong i like alot tab stuff wich i know has also been peddled just the way it is i guees same time if no one sold dogs ever or gave them away whatever there wouldnt be alot good dogs and off spring out there

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