Lonzo Line

well put my friend

 

good post pp19

 

Do you mean Redboy/Jocko or Redboy/Jeep?

 

Pure Pit: Excellent post & a wonderful point that has not be addressed. I have found most Lonzo dogs are very smart & they DO need human interaction to thrive. Most people today couldn't even own a Lonzo dog b/c they are too lazy for one. You can't just chunk them on a chain & leave them there. They need humans. If I for example have a Lonzo dog I am getting ready for anything, I bring them in the house to live with me. It makes all the difference in the world.

Time as you mentioned is a factor too. When I got my first Lonzo dog, his breeder told me he wouldn't be ready for work for 2 years & that was the minimum age. But in this "instant gratification" age we want everything right here, right now. No one is willing to wait for anything. However, I have found a little patience will take you a long way. I once waited on a dog until he was almost 4 (not Lonzo bred ironically) & when he matured he turned out to be a fine dog that was well worth the wait!

Sampson1: I'm sorry, I should have made myself a little more clear. By J/RB I meant Jeep/Redboy. In my area it's peddled like crazy & there is tractor truck loads of junk out there off that line as a result. I have no doubt there are good dogs off this line - every line has both good & bad - but I personally just have not seen or heard of anything worth talking about. I've read the historical accounts of the famous dogs of course, but I'm talking about dogs owned by the average joe. But then again, as I mentioned before, I don't keep my ear to the ground about the going-on in the J/RB world either. I'm more concerned with what is going on within the lines of my interest.

Hope this clears things up.

Blessings ...

 

Hmm that kinda suprises me..I guess the dogs on this side of Louisiana are different then the ones on that side..(your from Mississipi right? Im from Texas) or maybe its just different percentages of the same blood..But one thing you said i can agree with completely..there good and bad from every line and it all depends on where you find them..

 

Yes, I'm in MS. Here you can find ADBA reg. J/RB pups being sold on the side of the highway. That tells you what the line has really become about ($$$). Again, I'm not saying there aren't good J/RB dogs b/c I know there are. But I'm saying I don't keep up with the line b/c it's not the line of my choice & that b/c of peddling I would hazard to say there is more J/RB junk then there are ones who work out.

Blessings ...

 

I see where your coming from as i know little to nothing about Zebo dogs because the people in my circle dont breed or keep up with them...I own a Redboy/Jeep youngin who has shown nothing but good...but he's mostly Redboy blood so maybe thats where the fire comes from..

 

Yeah, that was my whole point & that's why I brought up the other dogs in the first place (some immediately overlooked the point as soon as they saw another dog's name, lol). People do tend to run in their own circles & as a result overlook the good that's going on in other circles.

You get these cats that down the Lonzo line, but in most cases they couldn't even tell you what's going on in the Zebo/Vindy/Mike line today b/c they don't keep up with it as it's not their bloodline of choice. Just like me. I couldn't really tell you what's going on with the J/RB line today b/c I don't keep up with it. I know there are good dogs off that line, but I also know there is a lot of junk b/c peddlers have gotten a hold of it to cash in on it's popularity.

I heard a dog person long ago say there is always a "flavor of the month" bloodline. The Lonzo stuff was the "flavor of the month" at one time, but it has since fallen out of favor. Now J/RB is the "got to have" bloodline. In a few years the J/RB cross will be abandoned for something else & all the 'Net doggers will be talking about how all J/RB dogs are junk & the line is a waste of time. It's just like fashion, it goes in cycles. lol.

Sadly however, when a bloodline becomes a "flavor of the month" it gets flooded with a lot of substandard individuals b/c people just get them & breed them to cash in on the demand, just like the folks selling the "American Bully" Lonzo dogs or the folks selling J/RB dogs on the side of the highway in my town.

I truly think the key to success is research & patience. You gotta do your research on each line, research the dogs within the line & research those breeding the line. Then once you have obtained the dog of your choice you have to nurture the dog & have the patience to let it mature. As Pro Pit said, many good dogs have been ruined by rushing things. So IMO the key is research & patience. It's not this line or that line, but rather what you DO with the line you're working with & where you chose to obtain it. THERE you will most likely find success!

Think about it. Let's say for an example you were trying to raise up a son to play in the NBA. You wouldn't just go out & marry a crack head you found on the street corner, have relations with her, toss her out & keep the resulting kid in isolation except when you fed him Twinkies & Doritos once a day. Then when he turns 12 throw him on the basketball court to compete against men who were well bred, well cared for & mature & expect the boy to be the next Micheal Jordan would you? Heck no! But people do the equivalent with APBTs all the time & then holler about how the dog didn't work out. lol.

Blessings ...

 

lol yeah i understand..its all about the individual dog and the individual raising the dog..Thanks ABK
That last paragraph made me think about how some people talk about how they feed there dogs gunpowder to make them crazy (not my people or any real dogman or woman..) its like they expect the dog being crazy is gonna make it perform better or something then sometime later you hear about them having to put it down because it tried to rip there face off...you cant just expect garbage breeding to garbage and being raised by garbage to grow up and be a professional athlete..:cool:

 

well i can tell u i been on both sides of the zebo crowd and jeep red boy or jeep rb jocko and around chicago and surrounding areas jeep rb is way more peddled then any other lines not the zebo lines

 

let me also add some the best dogs i seen were rb/jj

 

oh I dont doubt there peddled I just what i have direct access to and the guy i get them from is an honest dude with honest dogs..Im sure if i was in a different area and good Zebo dogs is what i had access to I'd try and get a couple of them to try out as well...
But i will say this I like the fire the Redboy dogs are known for.. Some of my dogs would probably try and scratch into a dragon..(pre 1976 of coarse)lol

 

^^^^^^^
That's one of the keys to getting a good dog out of any line!

 

Oh dear. It seems we have a bit of a misunderstanding here.

"What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside." 1 Corinthians 5:12-13 (bold & underline mine)

If you don't understand the meaning of this passage, in short it means Christians are to judge one another actions & hold them accountable, but those outside the church GOD will judge.

In fact, the passage before it, 1 Corinthians 5:11 says:

"But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat"

So according to Scripture, a believer is not only supposed to judge fellow believers, but they are not even supposed to EAT with a Christian (brother) who is of the above mentioned vices. And this is coming from Saint Paul! Yet these passages are so often forgotten.

But it does not matter. I never JUDGED them. I simply called them what they were, which are peddlers - i.e. one who provides & sells a product, in this case dogs. I didn't call them BYBs or greeders or say there were bad or evil. But even if I did, if they were a Christian brother or sister, I would be in the right for saying so since we have been commanded to judge one another. And I may be wrong, but I would hazard to say most people (not all, but most) are Christians either practicing or non-practicing.

As for my litter, my dear friend, I would like to see you prove their tainted linage. Please try. (I know you cannot).

As for where they are going, if it settles your mind, there are only 3 in the litter. I will be keeping two & one I will be giving to my pastor's son!

Blessings my friend & thanks for your concern!

 

EDIT: I also wanted to add, nice way to try to hi-jack the thread my friend. But I must ask - why all the venom? Are you a J/RB seller? (I shan't use the word peddler for your sake in my post lest I offend).

Finally, if it soothes you any, if you will read more closely the only reason I even mentioned the J/RB line was b/c it is sold heavily. Some posters said the Lonzo line was no good b/c it was/is sold heavily so I pointed to the J/RB, a popular line that is sold heavily yet has good dogs as well.

If choosing to buy from either line one must do their research to get a quality animal as a result. But just b/c a line is sold heavily doesn't mean it is junk, which I used the J/RB line as an example. It is being so heavily sold that it is being sold on the side of the highway! But does that bring mean the line is of inferior quality? I'm willing to bet you'd say no.

More "hands in the pot" does increase the possibility of obtaining a substandard specimen IF you buy from the wrong person, but it doesn't degrade the whole line. There are still quality specimens to be found in both the Lonzo & J/RB line despite their popularity if one does their research & buys carefully. THAT was my point in even bringing up the J/RB line, which some people - like yourself - completely missed.

Once again blessings to you & again I thank you so much for your concern for my puppies!

 

little off topic but i like your kennel name and a well put response to the posting about your litter

 

Thank you my friend! When under attack I try to let God guide my words.

But back to the OP's question - YES, there are Lonzo dogs both pure & crossed who can stand their ground. Just make sure you buy from a reputable source with solid stock.

Blessings to all ...

 

That's telling em.

 

if you look around at the top winners from the last 10-15yrs and you don't see a dog with even 1/4 of any of these old timers that aren't still out there just getting paid off of the things they did 30yrs ago that should be enough for you to stay away.