nutrition when conditioning

They should be able to go right to it . But no 1 knows what someone feeds .

 

A little fish everyday won't hurt . Be don't be giving them a lot . The change in food nothing a burnt piece of toast or cheeze won't fix .

 

Most of those scientific articles posted is nothing new as they have been posted before on this forum as well as other forums/boards. I would take most of those articles with a grain of salt as most of them are based on scientific THEORY rather then facts.....For example some think that raw food digest faster then kibble, in which I do not totally believe to be true.... IMO kibble is like processed foods that digest real fast just like FAST FOOD, leaving one hongry again in a couple of hours LOL. The down side to fast digestion of kibble is that the nurtrients do not get absorbed and are just shitted out hence the huge amounts of shit when eating kibble as opposed to eating raw. McD's food is so processed that my body does not absorb any of the nutrients instead it gets shitted out within an hour or two just like it was filler and then I am hongry again. LMAO Like I said there are many factors involved from certain genetic traits to environmental influences etc etc. that can affect each and every individual dog differently when it comes to nutrition and digestion. I also agree with Old Goat that if a dog is healthy and has good intestinal/Gut bacteria/flora then it shouldnt take them 8 weeks or more to acclimate to the feed. If after 2 weeks your dog still has not acclimated himself to the new feed then there is something wrong with him health wise that affects his Gut/intestinal flora.....Ever notice an increase in IBS syndrome in todays society? Can one say GMO? PESTICIDES? HORMONES? LMAO, but that is another topic. LOL

 

I feed the same way in keep and not in keep. In keep I add a few other things. Which I do a least 2 days a week. Just to keep there insides and body's not changing. If you change things it takes awhile for the dog to get use to it. I also never let my dogs get more then 6 to 8 pounds over weight.

 

Good way to put it Slim12

 

If you feed the dog and walk him 10 minutes later he's going to empty the first of 3-4 dumps in 24 hours .

 

Chemical? Unless your raw feed is "ORGANIC", it has chemicals in it. LOL

Even with actual scientific backing that shows the digestive rates of kibble being digested faster in a actual dog, I know that "PROCESSED" foods are digested faster for the mere fact that they are heavily processed. Heavily processed foods are basically FAST FOODS and or broken down foods that are easier to digest. Processed foods have very little nutrients like kibble hence why most dog food companies add extra vitamins into it...Assimilation is the difference due to digestion times, the amount being fed and the amount of nutrients in each meal.

That is a bad example using numbers....The time when a dog shits has very little to almost nothing to do with or determine the rate of ones digestion. My fast food comments about having to take a shit 1-2 hrs after eating some fast food was more of a joke as one does not shit from the food he just ate but from the previous feeding. LOL

Raw/Whole foods have more nutrients so more nutrients will be absorbed especially since digestion rate of raw/whole foods is slower..........Kibble has less nutrients then raw to begin with and since kibble has a faster digestion rate even less nutrients will be absorbed, hence the BIG SHITS when a dog eats kibble compared to raw. LOL.......That is why some dogs will eat there OWN SHIT especially when fed kibble because all the nutrients have not been absorbed and still left in there shit. LMAO

Raw food left out not refrigerated can spoil within 1hr to 10hrs depending on how cold out it is at that time.....Kibble can last a year or more without spoiling. LOL

 

And I thought you were just the class clown!! That's a good post Super Saiyagin-broham/senpai! I think CHEAP kibble is worse than average to high end. Raw might be the best but it is not the easiest for everyone to use as feed. Kibble and supps are what most use and it works

 

If your dog is taking big to huge shits, change food and keep experimenting.

 

I haven't fed kibble in a keep in decades. Kibble is highly processed and you will never maximize nutrition in a keep using it.

Domestication has made the average dog's digestive system not as efficient as wild dogs or wolves. The small intestine is where a lot of nutrients are broken down and absorbed. All the food (real food) I feed is all natural and never processed which are absorbed more effectively.

Using real food I can control a lot of things.
hydrate using food
control carb sensitivity
control insulin
move blood more efficiently
aid in recovery
relieve muscle soreness
help eliminate muscle soreness
help eliminate muscle cramping
build muscle
burn fat

 

nice thread good info .
i believe raw would be a better choice then kibble in a keep if you know what you doing , and i dont .
i mainly feed kibble and soup with veggies and sweet patatoes , has worked fine for me . but theres always room to improve .

 

And what made U think I was the Class Clown to begin with?....Those that can leave there emotional content behind can see the Truth in my posts underneath all my sarcasm. LOL

LMAO....those eggs were a lie , they give me no eagle powers they give me no nutrients. LMAOROTF ahahahhahahahahahahahah that movie was funny as fuck.

 

good exchange...
raw is best if you can balance it and add/take away key ingredients and the key catalyst are often overlooked...
a bit of both helps assure a good diet...

If you ask one of the top conditioners who used to sell his written keeps for thousands,,,
they use a ton of chemicals, just pro plan kibble(no raw) and CORN MEAL!!!

They swear they CORN MEAL is the best source of CARBS and it makes me laugh,,,
I think its just glue to hold all the chemicals to the pro plan,,,lol...

This keep was purchased for 10k to be used against southren knls ch poboy with vengeance,,,
po boy stopped in thirty seven,,, its seemed to work for them but not my cup of tea...
The natural keep vengence owner used to beat h.hargroves ch black jack in twenty nine minutes in a previous match seemed to be sufficient...
Those type of keeps are not meant for longevity of the dog and in vengence case he ran sterile awfully young,,,
SO PICK YOUR POISON WISELY...

 

Exactly...you can't get a dog in maximum condition using that keep, imagine what would have happened if a real professional was in charge of the dog's diet!

 

CORN BREAD,,, NOT CORN MEAL,,,
sorry for the mix up...

If anybody would like to share their CARB SOURCE(s)?? ?
I would choose SWEET POTATOES over CORN BREAD...
BROWN RICE is also good also and dont put as much weight on as SWEET POTATOES...
Both CARBS I mentioned have FIBER as well as other benifecial elements that CORN BREAD lacks...

If anybody would like to share their PROTEIN SOURCE(s)???
I like skinless chicken breast as a base,,,
a bit of fish here and there (from a good source) for supliments as well as protein,,,
and some raw ground beef (from a good source) again for other reasons than protein as well,,,
and never forget the calf liver...

If anybody would like to share their FAT SOURCE(s)???
I like sweet potatoes,,, coconut oil and fish oil...

Anybody share any other SUPPLEMENTS they might use???
Does anybody use VERTEX,,,POWER CHOW 2 or any other CPN products???
http://www.k9performance.com/shop/nutritional-products-10109

 

Just asking but how would you know anything about a keep if you haven't done 1 like you said ? Just a question now .

 

Man I got some layers to this that will blow your mind!