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nutrition when conditioning

Discussion in 'Health & Nutrition' started by CesarT, Jul 19, 2016.

  1. F.W.K.

    F.W.K. CH Dog

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  2. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    Nice read.

    On one of the best things about these dogs is that there are no cookie cutter answers. There are a ton of ways to get from Point A to Point B.

    I like some of the principles in the free keep but I also like the idea of some muscular endurance type work.

    I am sure there are some things that can be done to damage the kidneys but if the dog is properly hydrated and the kidneys are healthy from the beginning they should be OK putting in work.

    S
     
  3. MadMax209

    MadMax209 Pup

    What's your opinion about the claim of not feeding red meat and greens?
     
  4. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    I feed red meats. I use mostly cow cheek as it is a really fatty cut and it is relatively cheap.

    I feed some greens but not a lot. There is no real nutritional value for the dog but it does keep the gut moving some.

    If I am feeding greens I always use raw tripe at the same time. The tripe breaks down plant matter.

    S
     
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  5. MadMax209

    MadMax209 Pup

    Does freezing kill the good bacteria in tripe??
     
  6. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    It might, I am not sure. I would imagine some but not enough to make it a bad thing or a waste.

    S
     
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  7. trba

    trba Pup

    F.W.K.
    thanks for the post. Please note that there are 2 pages number 5.
     
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  8. Indeed, what we eat and how we eat greatly influences our way of life, health and in general our whole life, but unfortunately, many of us are not aware of this fact and make enormous mistakes in this regard. I personally started taking care of my nutrition a long time ago and a first plan was to install a keto app witch is the most precise keto calculator designed to help you determine your ideal food intake for the ketogenic diet as well as other types of low-carbs diets. Starting with this, my life changed enormously and I started to see the world completely differently.
     
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  9. LOL...you best freeze that tripe!.
    if you dont your gaff will fckn hum man.
    haha it probs has got more good bactaria when its first chopped out the beast,but you cant have it all ways LOL.
     
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  10. Riminia

    Riminia Pup

    Why haven't I found out about this before?
     
  11. I think It depends on how much the dog exercises. Red meat is fine for a dog if it runs around more. Chicken is easier to digest. I think it is better to use high fiber kibble instead of greens. I feed raw in the morning and choose high fiber kibble from Petcarerx or Chewy for the other meals.
     
  12. che

    che Top Dog

    This is one off the most effective styl . Because for burning fat dog need to eat fat. By increasing fat , your dog still will have energy to work and you give him an another reason reason to burn more fat . Is win win situation.
    And that little extra carbs will make your dog feeled and happy. Its good for his mind.
     
  13. che

    che Top Dog


    A lot of people are trying to this pre-fuel techniek but for me is not usefull and not logical. When you work out your dog its kinda stimulation all whats coming for him.
     
  14. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    Not a fan of the so-called pre-fuel. I think that is more of a human athleticism concept that has been placed on the canine athlete.

    The two can have some similarities, and even parallel one another at times, but in some instances they are more like apples and oranges.

    I like the dog to be empty and on weight, or very close to weight when we start work, especially the second half of the work plan. When they are empty and then work I think the window to replenish/recover/supplement is open a little wider and stays open a little longer.

    Supplementation when empty and just worked is far more efficient.

    or at least that is some of the things I have heard.

    S
     
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  15. Sleep

    Sleep Big Dog

    I agreed with this to a certain extent I work a pd n half above show weight until 2 weeks out no need to have at match the whole keep I don't think it's effective I believe u be stronger closing there weight gap closer to match than keeping at match weight but again with this being said that's if you going to bottom weight...if u going in match weight on your heavy side your definitely good with keeping match weight for more weeks than bottom IMO
     
  16. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    That principle/thought process gets challenged by the size of the dog.

    A 40lb dog that loses 2lbs of weight in 2 weeks is a lot for me. That is a 5% drop in body weight.

    Two trains of thought. As a person go out and crash lose 5% of your body weight in 2 weeks. The first feeling is weak and ansy until you adjust to your new weight. Unfortunately for the dog he will be mid-adjustment on show night.

    The dog never gets to work at show weight. And show night is his first shot to perform at his weight. Then from that point at the 45 minute to 60 minute he will be a pound or more below where he was dropped at, and again that is un-chartered waters for the dog.

    And to boot, 90% of keeps that go wrong are due to missing water weight, even tho the body weight was correct. Keeping the dog closer to weight for a longer period of time will allow him to piss himself to a hydrated state, not over hydrated nor dehydrated.

    But the very best thing about the dogs is that there a ton of ways to the promised line. LOL

    S
     
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  17. che

    che Top Dog


    When you train your dog for an other purpose , like for more muscle , is pre fuel techniek effectief but at this point the purpose is not the same, so since we know an empty stomac is much better just because an empty stomach have more benefits by a keep cause body activate growt hormone faster whic is good for detoxing the body more efficently, burning fat, using carbs, protein more efficient, time for recovery, why would you choose for pre fuel techniek after all this facts . Why would you play with this perfect system .
    Great post slim
     
  18. Sleep

    Sleep Big Dog

    Totally see what u mean and see the logic behind it but as for me and my keep and losing weight in a show I calculate all of that in....after each schooling I weight before and after and see how much weight I lose.....and yeah most matches dogs lose a pd to 2 pds normally my keep I only lost 1/2 pd after 45 mins so I believe I'll be good....I never go to bottom weight I believe that's like playing with fire ....a lot of variables to consider and I believe that's a recipe for diaster
     
  19. che

    che Top Dog

    Keeping dog closer the the weight for a long time have his benefits. Body adapt easy to his show weight and can take more stress.
     
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  20. ben brockton

    ben brockton CH Dog

    My old buddy joe d always worked them 2/3 lbs under then brought them up last few out. Reason being after the show they usually under what they show at. Wanted them to be strongest at the weakest point if that makes any sense. Hard to argue because the longer time they would get better and better.
     
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