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Old Nuttall/New Nuttall

Discussion in 'Patterdale Terriers' started by Crow, Jun 6, 2016.

  1. Crow

    Crow Pup

    Anyone know the difference? I see a lot of mention of the 2.
    A pretty important Patterdale guy told me that Nuttall dogs were used by a lot of the fell packs in England. Some of the guys started complaining his dogs were too rough so he switched up his breeding to soften them up.

    Another thing I heard was that Nuttall changed his program to accommodate the american public who preferred the smaller dogs.
    I've heard that Miner was the dividing line.Before hard,after, smaller and less hard.

    I've seen some of both.I saw a little 6-7 pound bitch from the new Nuttall that was crazy game.she ended up losing her front leg to a GH down south I think.

    Thnx
     
  2. snakewidomski

    snakewidomski Big Dog

    The Old Nuttall stuff is often harder, a little bigger, has heavy bones and short legs. But you can't say this about every dog, it's only a rule not a law.
     
  3. Crow

    Crow Pup

    Thnx Snake.another thing I noticed about Nuttall dogs is they seem to have a little bigger ear.Look at pix of them in contrast to others.kinda like the old midnight cowboy dogs did.
     
  4. Crow

    Crow Pup

    At least imo
     
  5. snakewidomski

    snakewidomski Big Dog

    I had only one pure Nuttall female, who was a back breed to Nuttall's Mickey. My main stud and best male is a son of a pure Nuttall male and a Nuttall X Gould female. The Gould stuff is out of Gould's Demon, Gould's Shovell, Gould's Cracker and Harcombe's Jack. Also there is an unknown female called Gordon Mason's Redstuff in the fourth generation of his pedigree. ...He and his offspring is exact that what I like. But I'm a wild boar hunter and have only a few earthwork. And this male is perfect in my eyes, for my work and my hunting style. Other Terriermen have other ideas of their perfect dog. I need dogs about 35 lbs and about 15 inches in shoulder. Some of my dogs are too big for fox, but most of them are able to enter a european badger burrow. And I need hard dogs who have a sure grip and a lot of strength, because I prefer it to hunt with blade and spear.
     
  6. snakewidomski

    snakewidomski Big Dog

  7. Crow

    Crow Pup

    That's a cracker there.I bet he bites like a croc.nice.thnx for sharing
     
  8. snakewidomski

    snakewidomski Big Dog

  9. Lrs

    Lrs Big Dog

    How are your crosses for stamina snakewidomski?
     
  10. ELIAS'PISTOLA

    ELIAS'PISTOLA CH Dog

    does the old nuttal blood carry over to the new and just selectively bred to not be so hard
    or did he just use new blood with out any old???

    a friend has a tight bred nuttal male thats hard as a hammer and doesnt like any other animals period,,,
    he was passed around the terrier men that didnt like this trait and ended up with bulldog men...

    Crow when you say HARD you mean hard as in the style they hunt and not neccesacarly how hard thier mouth is,,, right???

    If so it seems SW has the term a bit confused,,,
    or perhaps I do???
     
  11. Crow

    Crow Pup

    No I did mean hard as in rugged-banzai,not hard mouthed.

    The older Nuttall were noted for their hardness in contrast to the newer Nuttall.
    (Sorry if I confused it.
    I have a hard time on this board and still learning it.)
     
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  12. Crow

    Crow Pup

    And I'm not sure. I think the new is offshoot of the old(?),cause they seem to trace back in some cases maybe selectively bred softer?
     
  13. ELIAS'PISTOLA

    ELIAS'PISTOLA CH Dog

    BONSAI!!!
    what a great phrase me and my closest friend always said as we departed in true Mr.Miyagi style,,, lol...

    From what I gathered hard mouth has nothing to do with the term hard in terriers as its their tenacity towards prey...
     
  14. Saiyagin

    Saiyagin Chihuahua Premium Member

    WTF? Bonsai is tree, damn man you must be a idiot. LMAO
     
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  15. wicked13

    wicked13 Top Dog

    Wasn't bonsai the shit the Japanese yelled when they went kamakazee on America Carriers
     
  16. ELIAS'PISTOLA

    ELIAS'PISTOLA CH Dog

    who duhhh idiot...
     
  17. Saiyagin

    Saiyagin Chihuahua Premium Member

    You still the idiot fool there is a difference between Bonsai and Banzai LMAO....One is a tree and one is a celebratory expression.
     
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  18. snakewidomski

    snakewidomski Big Dog

     
  19. DogMan85

    DogMan85 Banned

    Rumours are that is modern stuff is not the dogs they once were. We haven't had dogs directly off him for years so couldn't say either way, we are running Nuttall/Wheeler at the minute and they are doing the business.....
     
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  20. mr smith

    mr smith Pup

    Had stuff out of Zulu and was very hard
     

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