painter type?

Soze
Well have to have a chat about the UK AB groups Christ almighty that’s a hot mess over there lol

 

Tomorrow will be catch up day everyone lol. Was working on something else with the AB what a shit show definitely a different level of maturity & knowledge on that side of the fence. Any have some interesting stories to share

 

Slim
Omfg lol, yeah i left mine very very leashed lol. Some people huh. Im not sure anyone would know the answers but i have a coupleof questions
1. Theres an AB named Tates Mr. Bud a smaller buckskin male bred to Tates Minnie Pearl a black bitch, I believe these are gamedogs based on size colour & over all phenotype, anyone have information on a Tate line APBT?

2. The White English Bulldog WEB or Old Southern White OSW, they claim to have a history almost as old as the APBT yet no documentation, they state they never kept records back then but we know records were kept with a somewhat similar breed the APBT. I kinda call bullshit on the breed just a tool to make money.

Any info would be great even if you could point me in the right direction. Im working on an AB truths & facts based page but need more information, documents, pedigrees and or photos to back up or disclaim

 

Slim
This is why I stick to a size of dog I know I can handle otherwise I’d be that girl getting dragged everywhere

 

Here’s a picture of Tate’s Mr Bud

His & Pearls pup Ninja, I almost want to say a Sorrell look?

 

I think i might make a new post inregards to these question, so keep an eye out. Id like to broden the horizons i think

 

Lots of diff strains of Sorrells but that doesnt really look like a Ssorrells dog to me.With that said I believe the name is Centennial Kennel in Mississippi that did add Sorrell to thier Bandog program.He went directly through Bert.

 

Bamaman
No i dont think its Lee , I know who you mean though. These are supposed to be "pure" AB's but no pedigree or false when compared to phenotype & colour

 

Plug
Just seeing this now but almost looks like a WEB I can’t expand the photo keeps saying error. Anyway I started a thread on the White English Bulldog or Old Southern White. Looking to find more information on them

 

Soze
Not sure how this got lost in the shuffle, are you talking about the Carr line WEB? As for the bite if that’s the question with the AB the ones I’ve seen were scissor & tight reverse scissor not undershot

 

I'm pretty sure it was Lee.

 

LisaWM I’m sure you know this from experience, but I’ll say it in case some one interested may not be familiar with the terminology: a “serious PPD” is not necessarily a dangerous or even unpredictable dog. Train up, train down. Train from drive, train from out of drive, and so on. Lol sometimes easier said than done... Not uncommon the PPD (certainly service K9s) with multiple suspect hospitalizations in the portfolio - which also live peacefully with the handlers’ family. Takes the right breed/genetics as well as imprinting, socialization, training, proofing etc..

A good AB from precise working lines should be able to do this, no? In fact seems to me the AB has a deeper, more credible working lineage than most of the above mentioned guardian molossers. BTW I was referring to the Bulldog Review journal in my earlier post. IMO some incredible ABs were showcased in that rag - some both catch and PPDs.

 

GK
I only have a minute but will get back to you later fully. Let me know if you see Universal Kennels in the old mags

Bama
I’ll dig around but I thought Lee had an AB off Johnson but never got into the AB breed

 

Lee had the bullmead bitch

 

GK
Also the AB is a relatively new breed & is still very much in a crossbred state, they are still using the 7/8ths rule & having cold unregistered dogs being signed off on by sr judges. They are putting in various breeds before it was EB & Mastiffs now the new trend is gamedog

 

Owned Bandogges and AB's for probably 25 years up until today... Along with APBT, Rott's, a Caucasian Ovcharka as well - From my experience a well bred AB from a line representative of what you want to do with your dogs is as good an animal as you will find... Capable of doing everything rather well.

There is ALOT of crap out there - And the good ones are not easy to find - but can the same not be said about all bulldogs (I mean APBT when I say Bulldog...) These dogs do not belong in inexperienced homes and the good ones are kept out of contact for a reason - Most people do not deserve them.

Zero of Contender was a social butterfly that could close his mouth. I did catch work, gave PP demos to gyms full of hundreds of people, and he slept between my wife and I every night.





An old Bandogge of our breeding "Voodoo" - Was going for her FR Brevet before she blew out her ACL... Another ideal dog for my house... Loving to a fault (almost) and brought home the grocceries when we told her to.





They are different from the APBT's in many ways but they are all bulldogs in the end - And I frankly never knew why there is so much fracturing amoungts the bulldog community, even in working fields... For everybody whom thinks it is easy - Not "true purpose" work Try to put a Ring title on a bulldog (Any bulldog) - There is alot more to these square headed idiots than most (Myself included) give them credit for.

 

My Caucasian Ovcharaka "Wicca" - A "bird of a different feather" - She thought me more about dogs than any other animal I have lived with - And would gladly latch onto anything not recognized.

 

I had a conversation with the man and he said he used Sorrells from Bert himself .Now its not a big enough deal to me but the man is easy enough to contact

 

@Phillippe - demanding Ringsport was designed specifically for the Malinois - among the most athletic and driven working breed. Any other breed which can compete in this sport says a lot regarding the soundness of mind and structure of the individual dog. I've heard of Rottweilers competing at high levels of FR, but these Rotts were in the 70 pound range.

I like the practical size of the brindle bandogge as well as your AB’s conformation. Many K9 handlers I’ve spoken with contend the right size is about 65-75 pounds give or take a few for a PPD - handy for tighter spots yet sufficient knock down power, speed and agility. Regarding "fracturing", not much different in the working shepherd world. Informative post and great photos.

Curious why do you harness your dogs during protection drills and did you work the Ovcharka in PP?